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Danehill inbred: Lucky Patch (NZ) upshot

31 Saturday Jul 2021

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Danehill inbreeding has once again been on social media airwave.

Statistics to inbreed Danehill has the exercise unproductive.

Additionally science places tsunami in-breeding can affect populations breeding future.

More questions & judges want clarity… ‘there are winners inbred to Danehill’

For opinions sake only …. we’re not too fussed to inbred Danehill models i.e. by 3rd remove. Nevertheless, curiosity is a better option.

Every call has a first-up impression. Over the other-side, hard-line statistics call it out.

Whilst Danehill was Australasian 90’s breed-shaper, we’re assuming the 20 years +, has ‘over corrected’ (the pendulum; balance of genetic). This scenario is through popularized breeding objectives: early maturing sprinter material, arrives model, genotype/phenotype standard. But there is an overdone dilemma. Was it intended?

‘you cannot change the morphology from one hour to the next without unfortunate losses in every way‘ (Gilberto Junqueria)

‘show the past, the selection, our horse and to alert to loss of characteristics of the pure- that which had occurred in recent years‘ (Gilberto Junqueria)

On pedigree matters – it is to a greater Understanding where greater influences arise.… pure Dominance.

Pure … overthrow everything else from the hybrid-nature thoroughbred. (That is Tesio lore…)

Let’s review an in-bred Danehill subject: – Lucky Patch (NZ) 4yo bay gelding Lucky Patch Horse Pedigree (pedigreequery.com)

Lucky Patch (El Roca) 3×3 inbred Danehill broke a 14 year old record at Sha-Tin.

Its all Lucky Patch racing video here.

2018 Gold Coast National Yearling Sale (AUD$40K purchase) secured

Lucky Patch (NZ). Earnings AUD$35,100 + HKD$5,875,500.

Lucky Patch (NZ) formally registered as Paleontologist and was exported to Hong Kong May 2020.

The planning (selection) to what strain (akin to a genetic trail) belongs to where/how/why one attains correct Influence of pedigree often, the Masters Touch.

Direct nearest influences, the mitochondrial DNA distaff has Lucky Patch’s dam Gould by Danehill Dancer.

Gould carries the distinguished ‘Big hitters’ namely Tourbillon/8Dx8Dx9d son Targui as inbred to Tourbillon. Big clue there!

– Tourbillon/Djebel thru My Baby/Clarion/Djeddah/Targui to their contemporary influences/descendants as by sire (El Roca) viz, Fastnet Rock, Rubiton (Century) X brood mare Sir Tristram, female Julioette by Targui.

This is a concentrate blueprint.

The dam, Gould has a 1/2 sister Gouldikova (AUS) by General Nediym which ran in South Africa for 19 starts, 2 wins and 6 placings. She bred the filly Good Times Roll by Time Thief for 1 win of 14 starts (South Africa).

To working out Danehill: – an old hand says…. the ‘want’ to overcook the pudding (pedigree) is often damage-done. It takes a good number of generations from ‘too much, too close’ dosages to soften back and what runs mostly, decidedly, the course ahead.

Insights to Sire El Roca recommended – confident appeal, he really ‘stands’ quality of a honest stallion.

Danehill inbreds – give chase to the Right detail!

Thanks to Janice Winterhalter & Gilberto Junqueria for material/info.

Featured Image credit & Copyright Kimberley Mcintyre @ Horses Helping Humans

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‘hot-spot’ the pedigree

07 Tuesday Apr 2020

Posted by in Australian Bloodstock analysis, genotype breeding, race horse breeding, Selene

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The summation of strains, to that of Danehill inbreeding.

subject horse: * Rubisaki (AUS) by Rubick from Senro Kisaki (Danehill Dancer) 9 starts for 7 wins .

https://www.pedigreequery.com/rubisaki – (Danehill 4×3)

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Danehill Dancer (inset head shot Encosta de Lago) 

TBL readers can believe other strains, shall & will influence the final determination of a genotype pedigree.

(Privately) I’m not to ‘fussed’ at ‘seeing’ @ doubling Danehill,  yet am mindful the duplication does apply where in-bred to Danehill, places many an Australasian pedigree.

  • Further on-line commentary has, poorer success rate across all Danehill mating’s to-date, too suggest Danehill in-bred has winners minority.

(n.b. the reservation is also down to the matter of ‘balance’ and have often prior commented the over-concentration of the female family 2d to both Danehill & Northern Dancer combined.) Moving on from Danehill

Ross du Bourg (The Australian & New Zealand Thoroughbred) …..danger of arriving at an unbalanced mating, through concentrating too many similar influences in the pedigree, in particular, over-refinement. The result tends to be the production of too much nervous energy, producing over-excitability, nervousness or constitutional weakness.

Without any for or against, rights or wrongs….. we may wonder where-the-devil-goes, sweetspotwhere IT will WORK.

Here, at the Thoroughbred Link – genetic supremacy to its Patterns means not counting  1+1=2 linear methodology. Rather it is the multiple-layered sources through numerous gene-linked individuals.

It goes by isolating ‘carriers’ , those strains, which in today’s modern pedigree should  be treated as KPI’s, as these are likely pre-potent Conduits.

Pre-potent/conduits cut through or over, the ordinary  i.e. genetic supremacy Strength.

After Winx’s pedigree researched 100 times-over, this exercise outwardly isolated strains that had comprehensive strain importance as to deduce ‘depth’ indeed goes long n’ deep. And notably, Individuals have order and a clustering – where genes ‘hang-out’.

As reviewing → https://www.pedigreequery.com/rubisaki – the first specific  by maternal infusions to sires Sharpen Up & Hoist the Flag are each designated female family 5-i to the ancestress Diversion.

Note and comprehend this  supreme trait- f.f. 5-i , through Kris/Sharpen Up to the likes of sires Sadlers Wells & Invincible Spirit, Hoist the Flag →Machiavellian (USA) stamping hard upon pedigrees like A winged electric – Pinatubo , Maximum Security, Zenyatta, Winx came from Herod .

– at very least readers, be aware these individuals are pivotal….to any pedigree.

The line-breeding chart is much a back-bone. How it measures (at-best) to target the irrefutable. It is tracing through these Genetics to future-plan finely tuned individuals.

In Rubisaki’s case (@10 generations) lay 26x’s to Selene, compiling of,  **f.f.6e Hyperion, Sickle,  Pharamond & New Moon (n.b. New Moon, the 3rd dam to Star Way, Encosta de Lago’s dam’s sire).

Selene is inbred to *Pilgrimage 3sx4d the female family 5-i.img_20190925_142943-01111284413.jpeg

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Appreciate Selene upon a line-bred chart and find 32x’s Orville (maternal grand-sire Highflyer) plus the ancestral in-breeding to 3×3 Herod & Regulus as designated to the female-family 8a as descended through a Regulus mare, named the Ruby mare, the paternal grand-dam of Eclipse.

Like an inverted triangle the genetic road heads. 

However working through scion-branches to contemporary blood lines comes as an exercise of establishing which route collectively, to a spit n’polish Strain that ‘fires’. Hence as remarked above, Sharpen Up/Hoist the Flag/Star Way.

This is the ‘hot-spot’ catalyst of the Rubisaki pedigree: not 2x Danehill.

Only by reinforcing past nicks and genetic affinities can we restore and recreate the genetic code that enables superior ancestors to transmit classic speed. Ross du Bourg

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genus reflects: The Autumn Sun

01 Monday Oct 2018

Posted by in Australian Horse Racing, Australian Thoroughbreds, genotype, genus, race horse breeding, thoroughbred pedigree analysis, thoroughbred racehorse analysis

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He (The Autumn Sun) had to do it all…he was still last at the 300m but what a powerful engine he’s got. – Kerrin McEvoy

– G.1 Golden Rose (1400m) victory

The Autumn One – 3 year old b. colt by Redoute’s Choice (AUS) – Azmiyna (IRE) from Galileo

https://www.pedigreequery.com/the+autumn+sun

https://www.racing.com/horses/the-autumn-sun

The Autumn One is a longstanding, deep-rooted pedigree of strong ‘type’. One which hails from the finesse of French thoroughbreds.

The maternal, Aga Khan bred dam: Azmiyna (IRE) a 1/2 sister to Group 1 winner and deceased sire AZAMOUR.

Genetics challenge & change. We must see how the dice rolls via evolutionary typology pathways where expressing origins as a genus-type to suggest what is truer to the dams innate character.

The type or genus is never definable easy, however families through ‘strain’ inheritances and of co-relationship ‘branches’, will POINT to thoroughbred formative origins & conceivably explain the similarity of like upon like relationship(s).

The emphasis – estimate what compels, what ‘fires’. Best procedure is to operate from PATTERN, distinction. It is these patterns that ‘tap’.

The concept of ‘linkage of genes’, particularly in a homozygous dominant state, is a vital clue to understanding how powerful and prepotent dynasties can evolve. Ross du Bourg

The ancestral establishment; what takes ‘within’ strains. View, via MATCHEM/MARSKE. Screen inter infusion of contributing ‘strains’, the DNA of strain inheritance present to this day.

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From history traditions, it is to ‘credit’ the Goldolphin Arabian. It is also nowadays discussed, the family numbers are not always correct(?)

Yet, the REAL issue is to identify characteristics – traits which appear to feature dam lines as her inherent qualities & as originated from an ancestor.
This approach is to EXPRESS finest/purest/core to sporting a complexity – a natural arrangement, which goes through time itself.

The histogram chronicle has ancestral Young Marske mares indexed to strain/trait 7. Matchem indexed to strain/trait 4. Marske indexed to 8, his son Young Marske 12c.

Wider examination will expose a greater trait detail, but this will suffice for now.

The Autumn Sun sire: Redoutes Choice – enthusiasts of pedigree will keenly observe where Danehill sires dam Pas de Nom (USA) X Bletchingly (AUS) lines are 1 in same, through strain/line/ancestress Mowerina. And as is, Galileo’s 4th dam sire Espresso (GB).

The( ff-7a) index affiliates 7 strains. We adjudge these strains instrumental to developing genus & of homozygous nature. We again find ‘type/genus’ with deep commonality to that of (ff-4). Refer again the above.

Over & above conventional, the Northern Dancer paternal lines, we work from familial to engage the maternal cohesive, which is evident from the Samantha’s Choice (dam of Redoutes Choice)/Nijinksy/Relic (USA)/Raise a Native (USA)+ Blue Larkspur (USA) (refer Roberto) as ALL coming via the genus bloodlines, ancestral mares of Young Marske, sired by Marske. Refer above.

Software will assign algorithms per paternal replications.

The maternal pedigree expression should target genus prepotency domination, as the impact. After all, it is the female which leaves the Y trail.

The idea to capture is the collective dominancy foretelling destiny ahead. It emerges affinities.

Notice the dam, Azmiyna (ff-4i) alongside the 5th dam bloodlines. By genus-type the infusions shaping/moulding/infusing e.g. FF 7, 11, 12, 4. Look to Roberto (via Lear Fan (USA) FF 12C

So very often the how, to where prepotency exactly is laid, or sits within the maternal closest pedigree rather than the gestalt impressions, or those dependent on duplications is the definitive factors which fine-tunes a pedigree.

Again refer to the subjects pedigree: Ribot 5Sx6D as where it positions.

Ribot – the most generous creator of international racing talent in our time, and whose produce is now almost completely tested. Franco Varola 1974

Summarizing, our assertion is any backbone pedigree via repetition/ paternal ‘configuration’ does not establish the ferocity.

But.. female complementary strains activate and solve genetic latency.

Co-strain via utilizing female family indexes is not merely pairing off.

The breeding maternal principle is to arrive upon a best possible solution for perfect specimen, rather than fashion product which commonly over boils too many a pedigree.

That’s it for now.

Cheers

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…..the subject of characteristics. While agreeing that both sire & dam play an equally important part in a horse’s genetic make up …….the grounds for believing that characteristics can be inherited THROUGH THE FEMALE LINE, more predominantly than the male. Thoroughbred Pedigrees Simplified – Miles Napier

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