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American Pharoah colt & venerable stallions @New Zealand bred

02 Saturday Nov 2024

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in Australian Thoroughbreds, New Zealand thoroughbred stallion, race horse breeding, St Simon

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Cinna, Hyperion, Le Filou . American Pharoah

Going for home, Victoria Derby 2024 winner Goldrush Guru (American Pharoah – Glam Guru by Medaglia D’oro) https://www.pedigreequery.com/goldrush+guru

The pride of South Australia wins in front of the world!! 🌏@jamieleekah07 and Andrew Gluyas combine to take Australia's oldest classic, the G1 Victoria Derby, with GOLDRUSH GURU 🌟

📝 SP = $5.50
🌏 WP = $6.30pic.twitter.com/OPVDJCUI3z

— World Pool (@WorldPool) November 2, 2024

(excerpt from last post) The French classic bred went for stamina and staying ability. Teddy of the female family 2-n indicates @Haplotye L4. Herbager (FR) through his sire Vandale (FR) appears to be firstly, main carrier @Haplotye through Vanille/Vaya (FR). But there IS another in affinity-pedigree, Le Fabuleux. His broodmare sire, Verso II, was out of the mare Variete (La Farina-Vaya by Beppo). Variete is a full sister to Vanille, dam of Herbager’s sire Vandale. Thus where Herbager and Le Fabuleux appear there comes a cross in full sister. (ex E. Parker, http://www.reines-de-course.com)

@ family 3-c and as dams are very special duly the Haplotype A1a + 9479T>C. Its significance maybe an Andalusian root mare ?

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Compare affinity : American Pharoah at grandsire Unbridled > b/m sire Le Fabuleux (Verso distaff Vaya)) with on dam-side, Glam Guru >> Le Filou (FR) Vatout male line & Folkestone (USA) @ Vandale dam line to grand-dam Vaya by Beppo. Plus Tulyar (Tehran) of the Vatout male line at 4th dam of Fusaichi Pegasus. Additionally, Beppo is the broodmare sire of Gay Crusader from dam Gay Laura.

5th dam by Le Filou by Vatellor (FR) the New Zealand SIRE of 406 foals – 17 crops (only 24 foals per crop on average). 56 SW (an amazing 13.8%) and 22 Gr 1’s. Including two Melbourne Cups: Light Fingers, Red Handed. 2 Auckland Cups: Floutulla, Senor. 2 Wellington Cups: Bon Filou, Michael Molloy. Brisbane Cup: Fulmen. New Zealand Cup: Noir Filou. 4 Derby / 3 Oaks winners. Champion sire ’61-62, ’63-64, 1965-66, 66-’67.

Goldrush Guru Distaff @ 2x Cinna, the early New Zealand developed blue blood dam of Balloch & Gay Shield. (more below)

Cinna, La Fleche
Cinna also dam of Beau Pere (broodmare sire of Swaps (USA) & 2nd dam sire Graustark (USA)), Mr Standfast, Dink. 2x Cinna @ Grenfall, 2nd dam sire Yankee Gentleman (USA) b/m sire AMERICAN PHAROAH.

American Pharoah figures pretty well to Hyperion & male line descendants and its great to observe (2x) Forli in sire of Folkestone whom served in Australia though a sire of little consequence. Nevertheless his dam’s lines inclusive of Vandale are regarded as fine.

The broodmare sire Medaglia d’Oro elite, consistent, unfailing…. https://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/132019/medaglia-doro His sire El Prado has 4×5 Turn-To, 3x Selene, 3x Mahmoud, Forli whilst Medaglia’s dam has 4×5 Sunday Evening (Eight Thirty/Royal Minstrel by Tetratema by The Tetrarch. ) Complete, 3x Royal Charger. Striking are the 12x Teddy, 11x Swynford, 9x The Tetrarch, 10x St Simon.

Goldrush Guru by American Pharoah – greatly bred to win the 2024 Victoria Derby.

I couldn’t stop him – he wanted to do another lap – Jamie Kah (jockey)

New Zealand G1: Molly Bloom

10 Sunday Dec 2023

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in New Zealand racehorses, New Zealand thoroughbreds, race horse breeding, St Simon, The Thoroughbred Link

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#haplotype #N2a #L2ba or L2b1a, Ace High, Cinna, Molly Bloom

Ace High filly, Molly Bloom – New Zealand 1000 Guineas 3yo winner (1600m)

As yearling Molly Bloom (Ace High) was purchased for $150k

This filly was beautifully
relaxed through-out and she took our eye as a great
walking athletic type.”
Lance O’Sullivan

PQ pedigree Ace High (High Chaparral) from Dancilla by Iffraaj. f.f. 1-h, ancestress Sunshine, Haplotype N2a)

Molly Blooms 4th dam @Certain Habit is the dam of New Zealand’s Iron Horse galloper, Rough Habit (Roughcast USA by NoHolme a Star Kingdom male line.)

Rough Habit

Her 2nd dam Nordic Dancer a 2x G3 winner at 2000 – 2400m.

Ace High (1400m – 2500m winner) hails from the great stallion producing family in modern thoroughbred history – **Danehill, Northern Dancer, Machiavellian and Halo. His grand-dam by *Sunday Silence (above photo and info credit Rich Hill Stud).

Sunday Silence (FB – credit https://www.facebook.com/groups/1396637871157840/
Ace High – photo by TBL

Danehill, Northern Dancer, Machiavellian, Halo to notable broodmare 11x Natalma @ Haplotype L2b1/L2b1a.

A small bay filly, Natalma had been purchased as a yearling because of her bloodlines. Natalma was forced to retire at three years due to soreness in her left knee. Taylor sent Natalma to Nearctic and she duly foaled a small bay colt. Offered for sale to some of E.P. Taylors friend, the colt did not attract anyone’s attention.

Ken McLean on Northern Dancer

@Certain Habit (4th dam) carries 7 strains La Fleche added @22 strains ^^*St Simon. La Fleche/Cinna – f.f. 3e, Haplotype Group L2b1a affinity to Haplotype Danehill/Northern Dancer et al L2b1a.

La Fleche – credit – FB Horse racing Legends De.6 2021 post
Cinna – private collection @ TBL

The Koblenza’ K’ family (grand-sire High Chaparral) f.f. 1-n carries Umidwar, another female strain to f.f.3-e Cinna L2b1a. Umidwar is also present to sire Darshaan, thru his daughter Kasora, another duplication thru his b/m sire Abdos, his dam Pretty Lady by Umidwar.

  • The f.f.3e Cinna – the ancestry of *Sunday Silence, Ace Impact’s grand-dam
  • Sunday Silence thru b/msire Understanding (USA) carries Stymie f.f. 1-h (5x4x5 Domino, 3×3 Man o’ War, (#haplotype N2a, same Molly Bloom)
  • *Stymie also carries through Nijinsky son Caerleon (US) sire of Generous, the 2nd dam’s b/m sire.
  • f.f. 1-h (i.e. Molly Bloom, *Stymie) ancestress Sunshine by Thormanby from Alice Hawthorn) this is ancestral line to Oaks, Guiness, Derby winners examples are Dalacia (Ger) dam of Animal Kingdom, Triple Crown winner Justify.
  • Sunshine holds ancestry again to Buen Ojo (ARG) f.f. 1-h via, Molly’s 4th dam sire Ashabit.
  • Molly Bloom has influence by the f.f.5h (#Haplotype Db1) aka 5×5 ‘Special’ dam of Nureyev, grand-dam of Sadlers Wells. Special, by Forli to have a Alice Hawthorn factor thru Advocate.

L2b1/L2b1a is also represented through f.f. 1-W, the remarkable Marchetta / Lavendula family belonging to Alycidon, Ambiorix, 6x Turn-To

***Herod’s Byerley Turk branch appears to have a remarkable affinity for mares carrying Haplotype L2b1a.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/241170/galopin-new-research-and-an-answer-to-an-old-question?fbclid=IwAR2t0oKx-4bJsZ5QnoThhkGBetDxJJq7FILnIJBDhiiVn5a_Gv3RnxmjsU8

refer Galopin (a BT male line)

St Simon’s phenotype per photo and description >(Here) and > Here.

@Molly Bloom, a reinforcement of the exemplary Cinna influence is principle.

Interestingly genetic research suggests the Herod typology as racehorse may be increasing.

Perhaps this lays the ‘root’ of successful breeding.

@janebielski (researcher) @TBL

#mollybloom #acehigh #cinna #haplotype #N2a #L2b1a #herod

que sera sera

09 Thursday Mar 2017

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in New Zealand thoroughbreds, pedigree analysis, pedigree research, race horse breeding, thoroughbred racing pedigree, Uncategorized

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Cinna, Tarzino, Thoroughbreds, Zabeel

A short while ago, on forum I wrote a reply.  One particular member took to ‘gas-lighting’:  where I was expressing too much about how better quality horses MAY undeservingly fail to unsuspecting lesser industry resources untoward ‘right’ practices.

It was pretty dam hostile – think …Pit-bull on Chihuahua’s head by way of accusations, heated on-line, ’cause somehow TBL nipped at a nerve.

I make a lot of observation: listening, thinking, wondering, comparing and as it comes by way of experience – a sort of life-lesson ‘teacher’.

Then came, one’s own ‘D’ day to stand over – me & my lovely 5 year mare and it was despairingly awful.

A 22oom race, from an outside draw she was driven across, onto the rail where she led until the last 600m and ‘swamped’ to be placed 7th. The track was deemed a Dead 4 – (actually hard as) … the jockey terribly non-strategic contradicting trainers instructions.

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Pit-bull thought I was blaming trainer/jockey or sticking to an excuse not to look at my own blaming faults. Problem for me really…I am too over-analytical or too abundantly aware of where things DO go wrong in unexpected places.

As you might appreciate, the way it is with racing horses, is the nature of the undetermined event: action of quantum space n’ time. As an owner, you are a gambler, a showman, a ‘sport’ & at mostly in no-mans land paying the bill.

Humour is essential.

But weeping …she is a bloody good horse & a lot of people recognize like Three experienced ex-jockeys riding track work in awe of that rare ‘feel’ she holds.

Taking stock of the situation… though I realized hubby and I had had bought the right pedigree, right horse (for price) and put in all best resources we ever possibly could – especially time and patience since the breeding is to ‘stay’ & also make that explosive staying Zabeel power when riding ‘right’ allowed, it had missed.

Financially we couldn’t do it anymore, not essentially the ‘finances’ per say tho’ influential of course, but the standards of racing. i.e. conditions of tracks, distances & short programmes, a lack-lustre of professionalism within riding to be the best and a licensing authority & a punting industry who couldn’t care less.

We in NZ have ordinary ‘every day’ jockeys earning way more ahead than small-trainers on doing a job.

My hope, my ‘expectation’ even Experience had sorely tricked me – all things outside of one’s control.

So I thought Pit-bull would be p*ssing on the forum-post. Yet, he came back & thought  about his on-line comments and gave me a *like*.

Days later the phone went. Bloodstock agent was hunting. They had watched the race, observed much the same sentiment thank-goodness.

Story goes…the ‘want’ of these bloodlines are in demand. evolution

There is not many of this line about. They go back to Cinna. Tarzino & the Cinna ‘strain’. A breeder wants them/her. Are you ready to consider an offer?

The silver lining of a cloud…arrived.

Of course, I already know of breeding value, both intrinsic and the physical from original purchase price as a yearling of $13,500.00.

Yep…thankfully authentic bloodstock breeding ‘eyes’ know it to. nyme31478829496

Elite families go on – the investment sticks like glue. There’s the point.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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