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Rejoicing the New Zealand thoroughbred success and the passing of a great stallion, So You Think (NZ) – (2006 – 2025).

A stallion of true class to blood lines High Chapparal (Sadler Wells), broodmare sire Tights by Nijinsky and the little acknowledged Long Row (GB) by Linacre encompasses the old bone stayer. Additional lines, Foxbridge – Cyllene male line @ Matinee Idol (Aus)… So You Think daughters/broodmares are to be the admired broodmares of the future.

New Zealand breeds for versatility and over the last few weeks sporting interests took serious note.

  1. World best sprinter – Ka Ying Rising (NZ) takes out the Everest.
  2. A dominant New Zealand sire line places the winner, 135th running of the 6.9 km Czechoslovakia steeplechase Velka Pardubicka , as named Stumptown (IRE) by Laverock by male line, Octagonal (NZ) by Zabeel (NZ). https://www.pedigreequery.com/stumptown noting, Octagonal sire of the exceptional Lohnro (Aust)
  3. And in the sports horse world, unraced thoroughbred named Artist.(Guillotine (NZ by Montjeu) https://paulickreport.com/horse-care-category/a-day-for-the-thoroughbred-ottbs-make-their-mark-on-maryland-5-star

🏇 Ka Ying Rising is currently recognized as the world’s top-ranked sprinter, and his Timeform ratings take elite status: Ka Ying Rising’s consistency and dominance across international turf make him a standout in modern racing.

📊 Timeform Ratings Overview

  • Peak Rating: 132 — achieved earlier in 2025 during a race in Hong Kong.
  • Everest 2025 Rating: 128 — earned during his victory at The TAB Everest in Sydney. Although slightly below his peak, this rating still ties for the highest ever recorded in the Everest’s history.
  • Hong Kong Jockey Club Rating: 137 — his official rating as of October 2025

The youngster himself, Ka Ying..

Best of luck to this 🚀 today! So proud our farm raised him as a young horse for the Auret family & can’t wait to see our brand racing in the Everest 🏔️ #KaYingRising pic.twitter.com/SsUPoOjb8w

— Chrissy Bambry (@ChrissyBambry) October 17, 2025

🏇 Stumptown (IRE) made history in 2025 by becoming the first Irish-trained horse to win the Velká Pardubická, one of the most grueling and prestigious steeplechases in Europe.

🏆 2025 Velká Pardubická Victory Highlights

  • Race Date: October 12, 2025
  • Jockey: Keith Donoghue
  • Trainer: Gavin Cromwell
  • Course: 6,900 meters with 31 obstacles, including the infamous Taxis Ditch
  • Challenge: Stumptown struggled early, especially at the Taxis Ditch and fences 8 and 9, but rallied late to overtake High In The Sky on the final stretch.

🐎 Background & Pedigree

  • Age: 8 years old at the time of victory
  • Sire: Laverock (IRE) – https://www.pedigreequery.com/stumptown by Octagonal (NZ)
  • Notable Wins: Also won the Glenfarclas Cross Country Chase at the Cheltenham Festival in March 2025.

🏇https://www.pedigreequery.com/artist29 New Zealand bred.

Up n’ coming progeny, where young stars are spotted ➡️ So You Think – Shamexpress – Tarzino – Wootton Bassett & more sires line up @ Ready to Run https://www.nzb.co.nz/sales/25rtr 12 & 13 November 2025. The hard yard preparation work https://www.facebook.com/share/v/14SQR2gm2eT/ .

History Celebrates…success

TBL photo’s – Ka Ying Rising sire, Shamexpress 2025 ©️

a poet’s script – Puchkine (FR)

24 Wednesday Jul 2024

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3yo colt Puchkine – Starspangledbanner (AUS) – Vadyska (IRE) ex- So You Think

https://www.pedigreequery.com/puchkine

It’s all PUCHKINE! 🏇💨

He takes the Group 1 Prix Jean Prat at @fgdeauville! 🇫🇷

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— World Horse Racing (@WHR) July 7, 2024

Son of Choisir (AUS) Starspangledbanner stallion went from earlier fertility issues to the fortuitous sire. https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/the-remarkable-journey-of-starspangledbanner/

His sprinting stars are indescribable. Having often wondered what are the intrinsic roots making their remarkable influence, we went by evaluating close female relationships and came to uncovering a genetic parallelism. And once again by probing Black Caviar and Winx. Further, what went found acquaints old racing stars: Phar Lap, Donatello, Beppo (Marco), Shirley Heights (3x Pitti + 3x William the Third) where their stand-out influence comes helpful to finer appreciating the sire Starspangledbanner through VAIN & 4th dam sire Zamazaan + Gold Sovereign broodmare sire William of Valence (Fr) by Vatout (Fr).

The newer profound influence through 2 closely-related dams (f.f.2-e) Pitti progeny & Gravity dam of William the Third (St Simon) & thereof, Felstead, Carbine male-line descendant. To uncover the complex significance, it is necessary to recover its elite similar arrangement upon four-time Champion Australian Racehorse of the Year, Winx & World champion sprinter of 135 rating, Black Caviar.

Winx – the relevance of William the Third & Pitti

Nassau- a son by **William the Third, his daughter Sebenico grand-dam of Theico, the 3rd dam of Vegas Street. A further gentic-affinity in Donatello as 2nd dam sire in Sovereign Edition, with further affinity-female strains to Tehran + Count Fleet in Voodoo Rhythm (USA). 4x William the Third viz Dutch Mary, Mangalmi, Nassau, Sebenico. 4x Count Fleet – Prince John/Hold Your Peace & Riverman & Mr Prospector. Bahram in Hethersett & son Persian Gulf, Donatello in High Hat & sire Alycidon, Bois Roussel by Vatout to Hornbeam, Bellini (ITY) from Minnow by William the Third to Hoist the Flag, Bellini’s male line descendant.

Black Caviar – the relevance of William the Third & Pitti

2 daughters by William the Third – Third Trick & Comparison in Felstead + Desert Sun/6th dam in Felstead. William the Third sire of Winkipop (thru Court Martial) Bahram sire of Big Game, Donatello sire of Alycidon + grand-sire in Solderini where Solderini’s 2nd dam sire has Atout Maitre (Fr) by Vatout. Bois Roussel by Vatout in Hornbeam + Bois Roussel/Vatout the sire of Migoli with his b/m sire Bahram again in Desert Sun. Bois Roussel by Vatout, sire of Tehran >Kurdistan 4th dam sire Bel Esprit, sire of Black Caviar.

**William the Third (essential detail @ link, William the Third)

More on the sire, Starspangledbanner (AUS) than what can be believed!

With antipodean blessings for breeders, Zamazaan served both Australia and New Zealand to become a Champion sire of Stayers to likes of multiple Gr.1 winner Beau Zam (5x William the Third thru Dutch Mary (Donatello)/Minnow to Bellini (ITY), Mangalmi (Sovereign Edition) + with dominance in Carbine‘s influence. Zamazaan sired Veloso (Sydney Cup Gr.1 & AJC Spring Handicap Gr.1 winner – Good Lord double winner of the Wellington Cup Gr.1. Multiple G1 winner Lord Reims (NZ) & Lord Relic (NZ) sight, b/m sire Bismark > Wilwyn 3×4 William the Third.

Zamazaan (16hands) – bred by the Aga Khan he came to New Zealand for the 1970 breeding season. Zamazaan was rated the best stayer in France in 1969 and achieved a high Timeform rating of 126. Zamazaan by Blandford – b/m sire Tulyar, male-line Vatout, his 2nd dam Vaya by Beppo from Pitta. Zamazaan’s distaff has King William by William the Third

Vain/Zamazaan + Gold Sovereign b/m sire William of Valence (Vatout) @Starbangledbanner cross Darshaan son of Shirley Heights (Count Fleet + Vatout) + Tehran/Bois Roussel by Vatout + Felstead, Court Martial in Long Row 2nd dam sire of So You Think. Pinza (b/m sire Donatello). Further evaluated below…

Long Row – 2nd dam sire of So You Think (NZ). Long Row has 4x William the Third (Winkipop, Comparison 2nd dam of Felstead– 4th male descendant Carbine, Karenza dam of Ethnarch, son/sire Roseland by William the Third). Further the co-relationship to Long Row’s 3rd dam sire Atout Maitre (FR) by Vatout is of same female distaff to William the Third’s dam Gravity as related by grand-dam Enigma.

Puchkine’s 3rd dam Patrimony by Cadeaux Genereux, European 3yo champion sprinter. Cadeaux Genereux same female family as Desert Sun, (b/m sire Black Caviar) hence Donatello & Bois Roussel in L’anguissola . Felstead, Tehran/Bois Roussel in Sharpen Up. Tamerlane – male line to Bahram, in Young Generation

4×4 Danehill i) sire Danzig 3rd dam by Felstead, his 2nd dam of William the Third. Danehill b/m sire His Majesty, the 4th sire Bellini (Ity) has 3rd dam Minnow by William the Third.

It is a privilege to show full measure of the St Simon son William the Third, to the dam family in Gravity, Pitti & Contessina – an old classic staying family but perhaps more true its mercurial ‘turn of foot’.

And for the breeding wise – https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/haras-de-beaumont-buys-into-jean-prat-winner-puchkine/

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Our smashing home bred 4 year old Beauty Waves (Number 7) wins the feature race at Sha Tin @HongKong_Racing this morning.
He won for us at @DundalkStadium as a 2 year old.
By Starspangledbanner out of Little Sweetheart ❤️
Congrats to all connections in Hong Kong 👏👏👏 pic.twitter.com/suxpOumVra

— Pat Flynn (@PatFlynnRacing) July 14, 2024

Beauty Waves (Starspangledbanner – Little Sweetheart) as above discussed Vain/Zamazaan & Pitti, the dam conduit in Herbager & Mr Prospector.

Nature & Inheritance via, So You Think (NZ)

04 Saturday Jan 2020

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in Australian Thoroughbreds, classic thoroughbred pedigree, genotype breeding, race horse breeding, So You Think, thoroughbred stallions

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The depths to ancestral-familial in-breeding its tied blood-relationship through their evolutionary generations cannot ever be underestimated. The ‘core’ of it all.

The tool used to evaluating female strains, majorly exercised as trait contributors, shall work at genetic memory to imprint pedigree prototype.

The nutshell of breeding practice is to EXPRESS or reserve the quality attributed as to re-produce its superior prototype.

A program-development to gain prototype over generation(s). i.e. the knitting of attributes until it produces (correctly) the desired prototype (for its racing purpose) – its phenotype from superior desirable traits ‘cuts’ to its genotype.

Regrettably, a breeding of grand philosophic style, has fast deteriorated where market over-rules rise n’ fall breeding hastens and scrambles alongside the ever ‘softening’ of racing opportunity.

Nevertheless…. continuing to interpret bloodlines and inter-penetrating patterns is to identify: distinguish the beautiful knowledge of targeted inheritance through remembering superior prototype quality of the unforgettable.

The subject horse and sire: – So You Think (NZ) by High Chaparrel from Triassac (Tights), the genetics certainly ripened as she, an old noncommercial pet broodmare whose past breeding-racing producer history went ‘zero’.

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The boutique breeder has older large broodmare. She goes to quality sire of well- balanced phenotype. The irony is, no pedigree gets an international champion.

Pedigrees at phenotype ⇔ genotype ⇔ prototype will tell by piecing detail; prototype/archetypal model of thoroughbred ecology, its evolutionary ‘fitness’. Archetypal factor which established Thoroughbred hybrid species through a functional effective.

(n.b. ‘functional effective’ means TBL took an appraising eye to ground-level height, where I viewed a fascinating spectrum: pick a horses ease and mobility from beneath to its hoof/pastern precision, to knee-fore-leg, to shoulder and through along smooth n’ easy ….to its lightness of feet sweeping ground. Now that shook TBL’s on-course punting experience to a new-level!)

Work at breeding, going forward generations, infused lines, the grand-dam sire has far more concentrated influence(s) and should be thoughtfully scrutinized. This is, So You Think, his grand-dam sire Long Row (GB)

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Long Row a stakes winner was bred in England 1972 and came to New Zealand 1977 for stud duties.

Raced from two to five years Long Row won the Houghton Stales L. at Newmarket over 14oom and the Horris Hill Stakes Gr. 2 over 145om at Newury. Both wins were on good going. At four he was again a stakes winner, in the Prix Chavlier de Stuers over 1600m at Ostend, Belgium. Long Row started 28 times for seven wins and four places, racing well on any type of going and winning up to 1600m.

Long Row’s sire, the Rockefella horse named Linacre, won the Irish 2,000 Guineas and other stakes races at four years when he was rated best of his age. Retired to the Irish National Stud, Linacre died in 1979 having left many stakes and other winners, the being being Black Satin, the Irish 1,000 winner. His offspring were generally in his mould though there was the occasional stayer like Alto Volante who won the Yorkshire Cup Gr.2. The sire line traces to Hyperion, whose major influence is Australasia has been through his grandson Star Kingdom.

Long Row is well related on his dam side. His dam was the Irish 1,000 Guineas winner Front Row, a daughter of Epaulette (GB). Second dam Panaview, by Panaslipper, produced four stakes winners, including the Adelaide Cup Gr.1 Panamint and Irish 1,000 Guineas winner, dam of the top class American horse Czaravich.

This is the family of April Run, one of Europe’s best three year old fillies, champion older mare at four in France and champion grass mare in America. It is an ongoing family that has left high class winners every generation. Long Row carries three crosses of speed influence Panorama 3 x 5 x5. (side note: Panorama’s precocity & speed where his hallmarks. His progeny frequently exhibited same. To Irish breeding, he was considered reliable to inject vital spark of space into distaff pedigrees which apparently had lost their potency).

Long Row, a brown horse standing 16.1 unshod………His best offspring have been Getting Closer, winner of the BATC Rothmans Hundred Thousand Gr. 1, WATC Swan Brewery Railway Stakes Gr.1, two Gr. 2 races and one Gr. 3 race, Row of Waves, winner of the AJC Doncaster Hadicap Gr, 1 Silver Row, Era of Triumph and Bronze Valley. His best off spring are sprinter-milers, but several have shown aptitude at middle distances. They appear to be able to race well on all types of going. (credit & source – Stallions and Studs of New Zealand, Bill Cox)

Long Row’s pedigree profile, reveals gold-mines ‘gold’ trait individuals influence many true champions.

The exact detail missed by many S.Y.T article reviews that has Long Row, doubled of female-family 15-a (via, Epaulette & Linacre) they through to a dam named Fortunedale (GB) 7dx7d, a mitochondrial DNA…..!!! ( L2b1a)

** Long-Row is a ‘trait’ contributor to New Zealand pedigrees of great mare Horlicks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horlicks_(horse) and Volkstok’n’ Barrel (Tavistock)

Breaking it down, its telling of the familiar nucleus ‘wave’, the evolutionary back-bone of the thoroughbred. The X-factor identification to recognize, is that of the Bald Galloway from the Grey Why-Not mare. The one and same nucleus family to Blank by Godolphin Arabian from Amorett.

The nucleus is infinite. From blog, Winx came from Herod  one might like to note and research biological and evolutionary factors from  Royal mares: the Galloway breed due to its ecology (at-distance ability) bio-mechanical/functional efficiency complexity. It is physics and balance and it all starts somewhere…..!

So You Think of tap-root family 13-a. Trace the pedigree backwards to ancestral dam Kite to Kite’s evolutionary in-breeding two key-strains Eclipse  and Herod, to their embryonic pedigree Regulus and Tartar/Blaze. (n.b. Kite is the remote ancestress to sub-branch family 13-c Frizette Mr Prospector, Seattle Slew)

Examining those strains via Eclipse and Herod & thoughtfully engage these archetype traits as ecological pathway of thoroughbreds. Its in-breeding saturation clearly produced the composite root-stock to the future, as we observe today.

It follows with full-circle consistency, the contemporary thoroughbred bred ‘core’  dynamics through key carrying contributors. It is not necessarily line-bred practice alone; it is the composite of attributes that the breeding targets much like chef-de-race formulations, but revolves also a familiar sustaining synthesis.

It was after researching a Conduits series TBL wondrously pondered how and or why, these where persistent and consistent.

The answer lies through the evaluation there has existence – the over-arching Balanced phenotype which stipulates energy and efficiency through all, an ineffable imprint.

The ineffable imprinting is physical and non-physical where I came upon something which aroused this researchers curiosity f-f base with, assumption biases of family-number(ed) relationships.

The cross over referencing of Bruce Lowe family numbers share both significance and duly, a conflicting nature. Whilst his system went to identify and systematize breeding merits upon individuals major racing achievements- it also blurred familial factors (sisters) to division. i.e. sisters assigned to different family #, where the genetic contributors went very close, as was incestuous in-breeding of the times.

As the genome solves, it also cleverly twists through, what catalyses.

Through sire, High Chaparral’s pedigree, hone in Kris (Sharpen Up from Rocchetta by Rockefella (Hyperion-Selene) because there – the pro-progenitor catalyst. Further note this is the f-f, 5-i.

Here is the significance:

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**THE PROGENY: Where 2 Select, the Breeding to, So You Think (NZ)

factor – Nijinksy, Best in Show (family) , Raise a Native, The Minstrel  D’Argento & Inference (Redoute’s Choice)

factor – Zabeel/Sir Tristram/Selene & Star Way per Higher Ground (from Dark Vision (AUS) ex-Encosta de Lago) : La Bella Diosa, Sopressa

Mr Prospector/Seattle Slew to Sadler Wells (Darshaan) – 

(‘the secret weapon’ – Lyphard ♥ per Heavenly Thought

To Market, Star Kingdom (Hyperion) per Miss Siska

Vaguely Noble (Hyperion) per Nakeeta Jane

Danehill Dancer (Sharpen Up) Sir Tristram (Selene) per Thought of That

SELENE – Contemporary runners’ pedigrees, however, rarely now carry her within five generations. Her rich and varied strains, farther out, remain worth of concentration, as she continues to prove herself to be a true shaper of the breed. (credit Inbreeding to Superior Females – Faversham/Rasmussen

 

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cheers and enjoy

and folks, the best is yet to come….

 

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