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run free – 2 year old filly, Dream Roca

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A New Zealand $10k sire takes the dream win with 2-year-old filly Dream Roca at the Karaka Millions, New Zealand. https://www.pedigreequery.com/dream+roca (El Roca – Petrachor ex Redwood).

NZ$75k purchase, her dam’s first foal winning $1m prizemoney TAB Karaka Millions. 

Credit: https://www.nzb.co.nz/sales/25kbb/770

You beauty!

Dream Roca wins the Karaka Millions 2YO 😎 pic.twitter.com/N9oDbFGDdo

— TAB NZ (@TAB_NZL) January 24, 2026

Whilst stars are ‘said’ to come from anywhere; the old story goes, what Type affixes stronger than its pedigree.

The filly’s profile has multiple lines to Byerley Turk blood. She has a selected depth ‘in’ Yesteryear breeding.

Fastnet Rock’s distaff Twig Moss (Luthier) – Rubiton (Century) – 5×7 Lyphard (dam side) + influences Hugh Lupus, My Babu, Abdos, Djeddah, Tourbillon 9th Gen distaff.

El Roca presented as an honest stallion: El Roca – A Rocket Man Stallion (n.b. reference older TBL post) with his female distaff also belonging to champion Australian sprinter Redzel, 2x Everest Winner and G1 winner BRC Doomben & VRC Victoria Racing Club Stakes.

Fathoming genetics has perennial questions whether by layman or sciences for what ‘nucleus’ thoroughbred and hybrid breeding encompasses.

Scoping sire speed is insufficient.

The research wants for a truer determination; speed endurance (stamina) and soundness sustained elsewhere.

– with focus & of strain(s) @ female family 23-b, by Type and pedigree, it is comprehending two speed types within & alongside to a hybrid dominance factoring with double copy mares.

– Dream Roca’s profile has Chiefs Crown (Danzig/Secretariat, distaff mare *Chris Evert, where breaking down into Chris Evert profile aligns at ‘old’ US classic speed strains.

With a probing further to the Byerley Turk blood, it shall be ‘seen’ to align remarkably well to ‘old’ USA strains – more so noted to Tourbillon & his descendants.

Note Tourbillon descendants are from direct male line @ Androcles (FR) f.f. 61 (find Wyvills Roan mare strain/origin), the family inclusive to high class racehorse and exceptional sire King Fergus, Champion Sire 1797 and sire of Young Traveller (1791 St Leger, 1792 Doncaster Cup), Beningborough (1794 St Leger and a good sire), Hambletonian (1795 St Leger and a good sire.

Hambletonian and alike aligns TB-dM

Tourbillon’s dam 2x Hanover (USA) – 13x Diomed has 12x Beningborough, for again, the truer determination stems or serves Type in pedigree.

The Tourbillon son Djebel (filly profile 6x Djebel) dam Loika by Gay Crusader, dam Gay Laura by Beppo, male line Marco by Barcaldine, is equally remarkable.

Barcaldine – (who would’ve have known)... not only the old stayer type but there deep within @ Drone (IRE) by Master Robert has 3x Cygnet mare by Cygnet from Godolphin Blossom. Godolphin Blossom progeny – her testament to its sole branch of breeding that identifies a hallmark of US race ‘speed’ matches.

– the Godolphin Blossom branch blossomed to none other than The Tetrarch (IRE) uncovered through his 3rd sire Le Sancy (FR) through Chanticleer https://www.pedigreequery.com/chanticleer, a sire & distaff to Brocklesby Betty. https://www.pedigreequery.com/grey+brocklesb –  fifth earliest mare in the lineage of Family 23.

By Blossom’s influence: 3rd dam of Gimcrack (by Cripple (GA / Godolphin Blossom) one of first early turf superstars, winner of 26 of 36 starts, sire of 1) outstanding American stallion Medley, sire of a) top class Bell-Air (sire of dam of top class Sir William and grandam of great racehorse Henry) and b) Grey Diomed (sire of dam of Duroc), sire of great racehorse and outstanding sire American Eclipse

Seriously failing breeding… disappearance of the magnificent unmatched male lines yet so fortunately remaining, evolve by remaining daughters/female lineages.

Insanely, the modern-day diversity Tourbillon and respectably, Hurry-On. (Marcovil) still misunderstood or undervalued.

Uncovering the Gimcrack Legacy in Horse Pedigrees

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look into a pedigree not at a pedigree, know what every name on the page means

2026 – the year of a Fire Horse to arrive new opportunity; sudden ability to transform and occurs wild or natural excitement.

2025 we closed the year upon a small, gallant horse named Gimcrack – a horse who changed ownership hands frequently. By all appearances he appears to be the ideal wagering horse beating early match horses and those identifiable names were entered to the early Studbook.

Gimcrack’s racing feats and progeny are a marvel of those times. Early American breeders bought his sons Medley and Clockfast and dam/grand-dam.

It is difficult to understand how the English allowed Gimcrack to diminish when as sire of numerous winners, among them being Grey Robin, his dam Snapdragon by Snap, winner of the Great Sweepstakes pf 5,600 gns, ran Newmarket Second Spring meeting 1777 to be one of the most remarkable races ever run. The little horse holds ‘honours’ @ Gimcrack Club Dinner held in York every December. To his name, Stakes races are held in honour to this very day.

Having always mused what is a ‘true’ thoroughbred, Type and types takes the greater equation. The classified haplotypes stand affixed yet distracts ‘pools’ or gene ‘islands’ – as ‘lesser’ proportioned contributor breeds. (in context, think of your family DNA)

Alike interpretative: – It may mean entirely different blood in different pedigree, and you must search further to have an intelligent knowledge of the blood lines of the animal. (Osborne)

Through the yarns and expanse of horse tales, the course of history may sound inconsequential however a cross weave inside the very breeding fabric determines an ultimate genotype that simply over time, almost fell between cracks. Hell, it could never disappear.

His (Bruce Lowe) figures are misleading and do not sow “at a glance” what blood has been brought into the combination.

Today, Inbreeding appears to a sire line bottleneck, (science maintains however plenty allelle diversity available) yet for the only remaining complexity – what will incline the elite bred.

Governance to the historical development by GSB, was only approved sires, these came by Herod – Matchem – Eclipse. This somehow overlooked this very distinguishing character where… {the period 1756 to 1765 was noted, not only for the three great horses born within its cycle – Herod (1758), Gimcrack (1760) and Eclipse (1764) but for the quickening of the impulses which were leading to the Golden Age of industry}.

Turning now to Part I., it will be seen that seventy-eight of the principal stallions covering in the United Kingdom during 1898 and following seasons are advertised in this volume, together with their pedigrees and performances in full; and dividing them according to their descent from the three great sires, Eclipse, Herod and Matchem, through the amalgamation of whose blood the breeders of old found the best result, they will be found to stand thus… (Joseph Osbourne Horse Breeders Handbook)

The entrapment of breeding idealism had begun to show…

Eclipse was quite as much due to the five strains of the Lister Turk (+ 9 strains D'Arcy's White Turk) than to the single strain of the Darley Arabian. (n.b. this explanation is noted to Osbourne because the author entirely dismisses the works of Bruce Lowe figure numbers and its introduction as taproot families)

Outstanding among all thoroughbred founder sires, Eclipse was sold as yearling after the death of his breeder. The Duke’s (Duke of Cumberland) stud was sold, according to Professor Robertson, by Tattersall. Robertson gives no authority for his statement, which had, however, been preceded by a similar statement by his predecessor, James Whyte. In his reference to the sale, Whyte referred to the disposal, “for a trifling sum”, of Marske. The buyer was a farmer, who put him to country mares in Dorset, at a fee of half a guinea. Later, the famous Wildman acquired him for 20 guineas. Meanwhile Wildman had bought Eclipse at the sale. He must have been the cleverest, or luckiest, man in London at that time. He bought Eclipse for 75 guineas, Marske for 20 guineas, and Gimcrack, bred by Mr Gideon Elliot.

By introduction or rather the elimination of a key bloodline genotype, only tipped and furthered those 3 determined sires’ lines as they went repeatedly crossed as such English Thoroughbred. Those out of the framework illogically over-ridden.

However, overtime, nature’s genes had come to prove the ‘fire’ of the little horse, a Sub- type, little acknowledged.

Accepting that particular genotype is where today’s breeding should only focus.

Should Byerley Turk, Godolphin Barb, Darley Arabian (Whalebone) are Foundational, the other goes wantonly amiss.

Libraries should give you an idea of the enormous wealth of information at our disposal…. not only the practical breeder but also the scientist to go through the bookshelves and lift the curtain which still covers so many hidden truths. (Tesio)

Our post appraising Byerley Turk morphological delves the Tourbillon pedigree and with a finer or deeper appreciation what has been previously overlooked – the powerful depth 5×5 Hanover (USA) – Gimcrack male line Wild Medley (USA), his daughter Ophelia 4th dam Hanover, – Leading Sire in North America 1895, 1896, 1897, 1898 (n.b.> references blocking the American RH lines 1908 onwards, see P.320 Kirsan*)

By strains to Gimcrack – those of Domino, Ben Brush sire of *Sweep and Broomstick and Fair Play descendants – the breeding propensities were so effectively perpetuated that each individual successfully established a significant sub-family in its own right toasting elite individuals like the undefeated Colin and the famous “chocolate soldier” Equipoise.

This Type clearly displays something so potent and is found to recent deceased Coolmore sire Wootton Bassett distaff through Blue Banner, a daughter of War Admiral (ie Man O’ War/Sweep) – Blue Larkspur (male descendant Domino) – Stimulus. (2x Domino + 2x Lady Thompkins 3x Gimcrack)

Fascinatingly, it is recorded to the racing style of War Admiral , he broke early and lead from the front. Hanover – 17 straight wins in 1st 2 years, including elders., won from 6f to 16f. It is a phenomenon to breaking clean and early of those distinguishing elite performers.

Who would have thought that Australia’s wonder girl, Four Time Australian Champion Racehorse of the Year, champion Winx (Street Cry) had the above Gimcrack (Grey Diomed + Hoskins Melzar) in her veins through broodmare sire line to Hold Your Peace. Or short cut into Type markers – Tourbillon/5×3 Blue Larkspur, Man o War, the rarer distaff (f.f.12-b Lady Grey). This is also @ Hoist the Flag dam Tourbillon/War Admiral to Street Cry’s sire Machiavellian.

World champion sprinter Ka Ying Rising is another ‘break early and lead’. As the punters say, he doesn’t need to go through ‘gears’.

We now understand ‘why’…this is about Type Markers Gimcrack.

references

Tattersalls, Two Hundred Years of History – Vincent Orchard

Breeding the Racehorse – Tesio

The Thoroughbred World – Walter Osborne

The Horse Breeders Handbook – Joe /Beacon’ Osbourne

American Running Horse – A Forgotten Breed, 2nd Edition – Kathleen Kirsan*

right on – Linebacker (Super Seth)

23 Tuesday Apr 2024

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🐴 Super Seths colt Linebacker, the judicious detail to this sires pedigree as endorsed –Super Seth , sire arise post…💯

Linebacker – @2nd in a G1 race & confidence builds…

Consistent 2YO colt Linebacker (Super Seth x Garden Of Swans) put in a tough performance to run 2nd in the G1 Champagne S. on a Heavy 10 under @TommyBerry21 at Randwick 🥈 The last-start G3 winner has an exciting future ahead – bring on the spring 💪 pic.twitter.com/EmJYzTWkya

— O'Shea & Charlton Racing (@JohnOSheaRacing) April 20, 2024

2yo Linebacker – Super Seth – Garden of Swans by Oasis Dream – 4×5 Dancing Brave (Lyphard) + 4×5 Danzig. (pedigree)

Lyphard 6x5x6 – due to our discrimination upon pedigree his genetic factors weighing to a pedigree surpass normalcy.

Lyphard he’s up there with then all: Princequillo and daughters, Hyperion and daughters, War Admiral and daughters, Lyphard has the cutting-edge transmittance his genetics need heavy appreciation upon a contemporary breeding model.

(…be patient and absorb details about Ancestors because the information lays a foundation for what follows……..certain ancestors need to be mentioned) Ken McLean – Australian bloodstock writer.

Firstly Lyphard’s son Dancing Brave, a medium-sized bay to a perfect temperament, speed, brilliant acceleration and he stayed a mile and a half. Big races won 2000 Guineas, King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Diamond Stakes, Eclipse Stakes, Prix de l’ Arc de Triomphe, Craven Stakes (beating Green Desert by 3 lengths) all in same year, 1986. It was the Prix de l’ Arc de Triomphe where he came alarmingly late to win in brilliant style, and record time, from one of the strongest fields since WWII.

Lyphard – sire of sires & particularly French sires. Pharly, Bellypha, Lypheor (sire of Royal Heroine, US champion mare 1984 – ran world record in 1m 32 sec for mile in Breeders Cup) – Three Troikas (champion 3YO in France Horse of the Year France) – Durtal (champion at 2 in England) – Esprit du Nord (champion 3YO in Italy) – Monteverdi (champion 2yo in England & Ireland)

Esprit du Nord– Grosser Preis von Europa (GER-G1 2.400m)

Lyphard from dam Goofed by Court Martial by Fair Trial, a producer of racing 2 yr olds. ^^5×5 Chouberski 5×5 Basse Terre (formats onwards the #BT Ksar, Tourbillon male-lines et al) with 3 strains of the quintessential **Harkaway via King Tom & mare, The Golden Horn (seen to Rabelais). In a nutshell, these certain as of, crossed strains come not freely about and for this reason alone, Lyphard is the foremost carrier.

Northern Dancer and Danzig. the ND son, Danzig – 5x5x4x5. Danzig = 28 strains St Simon – 7 strains Carbine – 2 Hyperion + Selene’s son Pharamond. @ Carbine/Spearmint appreciate where its Line infuses, the inheritance mitDNA @ Catnip (Nearco) Mother Goose, (Northern Dancer), Petition, Steady Aim. And further to this untouchable Spearmint influence, goes another **Harkaway influence via son Skylark, 2nd dam sire Maid of the Mint. @ 10 strains Sainfoin – from dam Sanda, the taproot family 2. What can be observed & once again is the #Haplotype L4 molecular.

In reference to Lyphard’s dam Goofed re #BT, Chouberski > #BT Ksar/Tourbillon – we find Dundeel sire of Super Seth has 4th dam Sweet Violet to carry 5 strains Ksar.

(important side-note) a 3% TB population to #BT has implied a slow development to racehorse phenotype or of a 2 year old negative capability. It leads to an overall breeding population #BT male-line as exceptionally close to extinction. Primarily the so desired speed-gene variant was narrated to single-founder a British mare. However, it comes to new light 2023 Newsletter and do let’s hope hope or think the Byerley Turk genetics deserve more scrutiny, than ever presumed.

SINE insertion and a SNP variant in the myostatin (MSTN) gene are
associated with optimum racing distance in Thoroughbred horses. The MSTNSINE insertion was found in Turkoman as well as Thoroughbred horses. DNA
sequencing showed more variation in the region for the Turkoman than the
Thoroughbred suggesting a more ancient origin in Turkoman horses. Further
investigation is ongoing to find out if the Turkoman horse was the source of the
SINE-S variant in Thoroughbreds (Navid Mashouf, University of Kentucky).

As potential is cream to the top Dundeel’s 7 + strains @#BT, his type upon Super Seth with a Lyphard influence, has the optional range of #BT which opens Centaine by Century > My Babu/Djebel. Look to 2YO Super Seth gelding https://www.pedigreequery.com/super+photon

Super Photon is SUPER impressive on debut 🙌 The WS-bred 2YO son of Super Seth storms home to claim his maiden win at Rotorua for @marshracing. Out of Chandelier, he’s a half-brother to G1 winner Mo’unga. He was purchased @KarakaChat by his trainer and partners for their US-based… pic.twitter.com/00am8qvd68

— Waikato Stud (@WaikatoStud) April 17, 2024
Super Seth stands at Waikato Stud – New Zealand (link)

@janebielski (TBL researcher)

Subscribe – UPCOMING **Harkaway – the Chestnut Thornton source & The Byerley Turk, Bloodlines Magnificence.

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