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1 Trait in a Genetic Ocean

28 Thursday May 2020

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in classic thoroughbred pedigree, genotype, genotype breeding, genus, race horse breeding, Roberto

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Hold Your Peace, old Montagu mare, Roberto, Street Cry, Whiteshirt mare, Winx, Zenyatta

Today’s blog revisits Roberto’s (Hail to Reason) xeno-genetic transmittance.
– updating for pedigree buff reading where is…Roberto and Winx – workin’ them genes + Winx came from Herod

When “Designing Champions” – what foundational ‘mare’ belongs to more extraordinary breeding?

The strain, the trait, an attribution peculiar to the Individual, the bloodline shall assign the preeminence of family.

The ‘impression’ to phenotype…2 year old growth-development/speed, stamina potential, x-factor calculated to individuals racing character, the temperament, body ‘frame’ upon cited In-breeding. Those calculated contributors, as superior factor, are foremost.

→refine the dams breeding

→ consider the dam’s Potential and depth – what a dam naturally, subtly possesses through formative bloodline, the DNA

Genus of bloodlines.

Roberto, (classified to f.f.12a), he the maternal, grand-dam sire of Zenyatta by Street Cry and compare Hold Your Peace (classified f.f.12b) as maternal, great-dam sire to Winx by Street Cry ( Roberto, Hold Your Peace are classified sub-branch’s to family 12)

It reveals to each, their distaff traces to Whiteshirt mare.
– prior accounts exist, where family tables concur much emphasis upon family 12 viz, Eclipse, per his grand-dam Mother Western.

By review, accounts to Mother Western (ex- Old Montague mare per Royal Mare) and Whiteshirt mare (ex Montague mare by Whiteshirt) are not related. (as the family 12 implies)

credit reference – https://bloodlines.net/highflyer/investigation7.htm

– Whiteshirt mare and table Descent Chart 5

*there can be no doubt, that the Whiteshirt mare and Mother Western descended distinctly from separate roots the former tracing to the breed of Lord Montague of Cowdray and the latter, to one of D’Arcy Royal mares.
– *as ancestress of a prominent strain, the Whiteshirt mare deserves to be designated as a foundation mare of a separate family.

*White shirt mare was out of an extraordinary mare of Lord Montagu’s….

The distinctive factor further states: *the old Montagu mare, the dam of Sedbury. So called, from being daughter of a mare of the breed of Lord Montagu of Cowdray, who, in the time of Charles II, was famous for his stud of horses.

Sedbury (Crofts Partner-Old Montagu mare, from Lord Montagu’s mare, the family 68 from the Whiteshirt mare.

(n.b. Sedbury – the sire of Sedbury mare from Ebony, a Massey mare f.f. 5 where Ebony had 5 daughters and these where each classified family 5, these siblings however, not from Sedbury) http://www.tbheritage.com/HistoricDams/EngFoundationMares/Family5/Family5.htm

the ideal genotype-phenotype-prototype to WINX (Street Cry- Vegas Showgirl by Al Akbar) photo credit reference (FB & owners et al – we advise we do not hold ANY copyright and advise  Fair Use where the material here, is used exclusively to illustrate bloodline characteristics per the article and with no other purpose.  Please do not PIN. 

Winx f.f. 5b, her 4th dam Vegas has notably 3x’s to *Sundridge (see below).

Hoist the Flag f.f.5i (Street Cry) & of, Zenyatta 2x’s – the gems trace to ancestress Diversion f.f.5i. Diversion → Little Folly (her sire has 2x infusion to Mothern Western, 1 to Diana ⇒ Whiteshirt mare. Little Folly → Magnolia→→Sedbury Mare→Ebony by Sedbury from Whiteshirt mare.
Whiteshirt mare – maternal strain/ ‘trait’ back-bone to Empirical sire and of equine-soul to the Northern American Thoroughbred – Lexington (Boston- Alice Carneal) f.f.12-b

‘ Whiteshirt ‘ contemporary influences – Giants Causeway, Shamardal, Singspiel (IRE), Rahy (USA), Roberto, Meadowlake (USA), Hold Your Peace (USA), Grimaldi (BRZ),

mare – La Mission (ARG) ,

Champion Influences: – Macon (ARG), Peter Pan by Commands (USA) , *Sundridge by Amphion, Sainfoin by Springfield, Court Martial, Hurry On

International performing mare Wuheida (GB) by Dubawi – Hibaayeb (Singspiel) https://www.pedigreequery.com/wuheida

watch for this sire – Frosted (Tapit – Fast Cookie) from 3rd dam by Roberto https://www.pedigreequery.com/frosted3

What’s my take on this? As title suggests 1 trait in a genetic ocean and I cannot help but genuinely feel where Lord Montague’s mare (and possibly others) have quality genetics encoded ‘je ne sais quoi’. We can’t see them, they are not historically recorded, but are indeed defiant and present. Cheers TBL

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Useful reading

more Roberto breeding influences – where is…Roberto!

http://www.bloodlines.net/TB/Families/Family12a.htm

http://www.americanclassicpedigrees.com/lexington.html

https://www.sport-horse-breeder.com/book-reviews.html (Legacy of Lexington)

https://bloodlines.net/highflyer/investigation7.htm

http://www.tbheritage.com/Portraits/Lexington.html

https://www.pedigreequery.com/sedbury+mare (Sedbury – Ebony)

With due Thanks to historical notes and the articulate & astute research. Highly recommended it has reading which must be appreciated fullest and finest of detail.

The super-nova of fillies & mares

07 Monday Jan 2019

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in genotype, genus, Princequillo, race horse breeding, Sadlers Wells, thoroughbred pedigree analysis, thoroughbred racehorse analysis, Winx

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Count Fleet, Enable, Hail to Reason, Hold Your Peace, Nantallah, Prince Rose, Princequillo, Winx

A curiosity where/how/why superior genes appear? How they transmit etc…..

I thought we might take a quick view of our global racing stars and to find the common-ground.

Please remember, it is TBL practice to  refer by strains/trait & female family ancestral within the individuals pedigree. We practice like so because we believe this provides the clarity how pedigrees may be crafted.

Strains/traits,  KPI – ‘smart’, true transmitters (if you will). Strains/traits employ the female-family index, the carrier infusion through either parent, the indication of inheritances not by dosage alone, but by a better factoring towards a genus; the genotype as the net gateway to homozygous.

Some divas here, are prior blogged, however when TBL screened others we found a fresh ‘development ‘of a strain/trait identification which we had not noticed before. It’s the beauty of comparing a wide, superior group.

The value of recognizing these strains/traits through individuals, is so YOU can view your own pedigree – seeing what is ‘hot’, & what is genetically cookin’!!

Quality transmitters appear late and ripened. Please read diamond in the rough and what the bluebook won’t say & what genotype will say….

So…you shall need your pedigree software and we’ll take a look through…..

Superstar Fillies & Mares

Winx – Street Cry (GB) from Vegas Showgirl (NZ) by Al Akbar/Success Express/Hold Your Peace/ Prince John/Princequillo. Street Cry – Troy: Halo – Hail to Reason plus relevancy to – Hethersett (GB), the **ff-21a

Zenyetta – Street Cry (GB) i.e Troy, Halo- Hail to Reason from Vertigineux (USA)Roberto/Hail To Reason plus Princequillo line(s)

Oh Susanna – (South Africa 2017-18, 3 yr old champion filly) – Street Cry – Troy from Sharp Susan (USA) – Roberto/Hail To Reason + Princequillo plus relevancy to Count Fleet *ff-6a (infused to dam-line)

Newspaperofrecord (IRE) – Lope de Vega (IRE) from Sunday Times (GB) by  – note Troy (sire side), 2nd dams sire So Factual → In Reality (USA) **ff-21a , 2x Roberto/Hail to Reason

Sistercharlie (IRE) – Myboycharlie (IRE) Roberto/Hail To Reason from Starlets Sister (IRE) by Galileo/Sadlers Wells/Hail to Reason) plus relevancy – Nantallah (USA) *ff-6a

Jaywalk (USA) juvenile Breeders cup winner 5starts, 4 wins – Cross Traffic (USA) Unbridled/In Reality ff-21a, Cure the Blues/Hail To Reason. 3rd Dam sire Hold Your Peace 

Magical (IRE) – Galileo/Sadlers Wells/Hail to Reason plus relevancy – Nantallah (USA) *ff-6a , Prince Chevalier/Prince Rose from dam, Halfway to Heaven (IRE)numerous strains Prince Rose/Princequillo

Monomoy Girl (USA) – Tapizar (USA) his dam’s line In Reality **ff-21a by Drumette (USA) ff-21a, grand-dam sire Williamstown USA) ff-21a, 5th dam sire Nantallah (USA) *ff-6a,  + Bolero *ff-6a each tracing to ancestral dam Lottie Moon (USA)    ++ (Mr Prospector), the strain @ Count Fleet  *ff-6a tails same, ancestral Lottie Moon plus, Monomoy Girl her dam,  from Henny Hughes (USA) dams grandsire Hold Your Peace

Chasing Yesterday (USA) – Tapit (USA) – 3rd dam In Reality ** ff-21a + 2x Mr Prospector/Count Fleet *ff-6a; dam by Littleprincessemma as prior researched 3x Olympia/Miss Olympia whose great,grand-sire Plaudit, ancestral dam Manna, greater ancestral dam Wagtail (GB) (ff-21a)

Enable (GB) – Nathaniel, his dams grand sire Roberto, his son Silver Hawk (USA), the dam Gris Vitesse (USA), from French lines, to **ff-21a – greater ancestral dam Wagtail (GB):                                                                                                                               Enable dam, Concentric (GB) by Sadlers Wells. Inbred to Sadlers Wells hence, Hail to Reason & Nantallah *ff-6a.  2nd dam sire Shirley Heights/Mill Reef, Princequillo & Count Fleet *ff-6a. n.b. Sir Gaylord/Princequillo

Almond Eye (Japan) – Lord Kanaloa (JPN), sire King Kamehameha (JPN) Mr Prospector/Count Fleet *ff-6a,  Hethersett(GB) **ff-21-a, L.K – 2nd dam sire Cormarant (USA) Count Fleet *ff-6a; 3rd dam sire In Reality **ff-21-a. Storm Cat 4th dam sire Bolero (USA) *ff-6a. Storm Cat/Terlingua →Princequillo. The dam Fusaichi Pandora (JPN) – 3rd grand sire Hail To Reason. 2x (paternal & dam) Nureyev (USA), 2nd dam sire Nantallah (USA) *ff-6a

Now for the Connection!

….if you shall guide yourself through many of these pedigrees you may notice significance at deeper removes to Man O’War.                                                                        Man O’War/Fair Play/Hastings (USA), his dam line **ff-21a , ancestral dam yep, Manna.             The  ‘Y’ ManO’War Fair Play/Hastings/Spendthrift/West Australian ***FF-7a

Next point, follow through the Count Fleet/Nantallah ff-6a ancestral to Lottie Moon & note her sire Australian/West Australian ***ff-7-a. Note Lottie Moon grand-daughter, the in-breeding to West Australian

Hail To Reason – 4th dam sire Man O’ War/Fair Play ⇒West Australian

Princequillo – tail female through to ancestress, Morel, 4x inbred to Matchem.

Man O War – tail male descendent to Matchem

https://www.pedigreequery.com/matchem

Matchem – Cade – Cream Cheeks from Sister to Miss Partner

West Australian – the first English Triple Crown Winner. He, the ff-7-a , ancestress Mowerina. Contemporary thoroughbred from the family are Danzig, Bletchingly (AUS) Invincible Spirit (IRE)&  its why they co-affiliate in the pedigree!!!

In a nutshell the superstar filly & mare ‘strain’ dynamics help to configure into place the superior bred.

Hopefully, we’re all aiming right!

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diamond in the rough

30 Sunday Dec 2018

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in Bloodstock analysis, pedigree research, thoroughbred pedigree analysis, Uncategorized

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Hold Your Peace, Prince John, Princequillo, Teddy

…with sincere hope that it will promote the love of the noble creature, the horse, its breeding, and trial on the race-course.  – Burchard Von Oettingen, Trakehnen 1907

It appears (at times) where only a bare few shall take a solid appreciation from thoroughbred history.

…all very good photos of great, noble champions but is it for others (?) coming to grips via TB ancestry and evolutionary developments is horribly, kinda inconsequential ?

I myself and like many, shall gaze for hours re-living their days: racing champions, the thrill n’ passion remembering superior performances of yesteryear(s).

And of course, its soooo easy to esteem those pedigrees of superior champions. The proof is there….

Proof & evaluation…from truer-at-heart analysis to interpret the Patterns, highlighted superior individuals (as strains) that no pedigree shall ever go without. Period.

Come on…. we are no longer centring Mr Prospector, Northern Dancer- they being a ‘zero-point’. Rather, we are to notice emergent & distinctive broodmare anomalies that ‘spike’ from female family inheritances.

Oh my…. what it is to be reminded from good n’ old; the genetic routes/the genetic infusions: to the old/best/new/hottest epigenetic genes which chuck themselves out clearly & upon superior individuals from their ancestral circles.

Seeking old/best/new/hottest individuals is never plain as day but nor illusionary. The pedigree only reveals in subtle detail. Algorithms don’t show…

In TBL philosophy 🙂 these old/best/new/hottest genes are survivor strains. They are clearly not plentiful and with good reason.

Like Quality antique – the, Horse Breeding Theory & Practice had practices, principles, arriving superior quality, now forgotten or ignored in modern times.

Like three wise men, there wise words of age old perspicacity are comforting, a logic of  common sense but also comes, the vague sadness where modern breeding principles by performance and commercial productivity can liberally convey everything & Everything is soundly bred to race.

Getting a good-un horse – be it self-bred, purchased, secured on-line, or syndication shared by ownership is the horse n’ human quest for distinction.

Yet regrettably old-fashioned breeding fundamentals (and all its immense, eternal pedigree detail) to arrive upon that champion individual is veiled deep or plainly the dynamics are lost-in-time or is it, the lottery of horse-trading?

For some time we’ve being lamenting the intensified loss of diversity: the dwindling pool of broodmare numbers, the global mass-pool of descendants come, Northern Dancer ‘Y’ and the resulting TB, its phenotype.

It…. a dramatic global funnel of tightened genetics which bleeds deep.

Yet out of the social-media blue steps out an ‘ad’. A welfare/rescue 2014 born TB mare needing to be adopted & re-homed. Her name is Liberty G & by the photo she’s had it tough.

But…there IS, the bone.

https://www.pedigreequery.com/liberty+g

I assume some bloodstock investors may say garbage….

And I guess, the welfare fraternity have (on her behalf) shall rightly say, no more horse-wastage…

Yet by example it screams at disaster, how the TB broodmare genetics quietly, & disgracefully disappear because bare few comprehend the precious bloodline, as its life, lays within.

If we are serious about reducing horse-wastage or better still, a conservation-in-breeding mind-set then study this pedigree well.

https://www.pedigreequery.com/liberty+g

Should anyone not be familiar to bloodlines, family tables etc etc then let’s introduce that one and only European champion by name…. Frankel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankel_(horse)

Yep… of the Liberty G pedigree you are looking at the same female family as Frankel. (ff 1-k). Not a lot of them about is there!

Screen the Liberty G ancestry – the much fewer/lesser strains of Nearco, towards the noble old bloods, & as sorely missing (abundant wise) from many a ‘now’  evolving contemporary pedigree – namely Teddy and that of, Man O’ War.

Look to the Liberty G siring line (Deer Lake, USA) that of grand sire Hold Your Peace (USA) where the writer, with others, has identified the stallion (frequently) as the superior breeding lane ⇔ Prince John (USA)/ Princequillo. See Winx – workin’ them genes

refer also – Hold Your Peace (USA) 3rd dams maternal sire: from equine gods…Kukulkan (Mex)

If we ever ‘think’ we are improving the Thoroughbred by rubbishing the reliable, consistent bloodlines and opting for modern quality from performance alone – then think again.

“bought for peanuts – won a fortune – wrecked the know all’s, to the delight of students and officials”

 

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