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Breeding Success: Havana Cigar (BRZ)

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Carbine, Discovery, Into Mischief, Red God

It always impresses how Brazilian breeding maintains bloodlines rather than speculate to the marketplace. Thereby protecting dissolution of that particular bloodline where its generational ‘blood’ may not be replaced.

Resilient strains purposefully bred is Brazilian acumen.

3 year colt winner 2025 Derby Paulista (G1) Havana Cigar by (Can the Man (USA) – Havana Club (BRZ) ex- Vettori (IRE) inherits a dam’s distaff built/developed from the great Brazilian sire Locris (FR), a Relic, Man O War descendant male line 3×3 Tourbillon – 5×5 Teddy. His 5th dam Freedwoman (GB) by Lorenzaccio (#BT).

Broodmare sire, G1 winner French Two Thousand Guineas Vettori (IRE) – the sire that ‘gave to the world‘ Lady Vettori dam of Lope de Vega (Shamardal (USA)

To genetics: a comprehension what really furthers to this magnificent ‘X’ potency, shall go uncovered.

Firstly ...Locris inheritability speaks to the magnificent cross to make conduit Type; the selector work of Marcel Boussac. Boussac like other dedicated French breeders of the time Francois Dupre & Madame Jean Couterie experimented in crosses.

Philosophy drives Brazil’s breeding and its history, the accounts of Senor Federico Tesio apprentice – https://luizeduardolages.com/aiscan.htm summarizes “Unfortunately, almost everything about the commercial tendency in the world breeding became true and the stamina of the modern racehorse today is on the point of extinction!” QUOTED

Havana Cigar Profile: Sired by Can the Man (dec. 2023) Havana Cigar is the grandson of sire Into Mischief (USA), who secured his sev­enth con­sec­ut­ive lead­ing sire title by earn­ings in 2025, to pla­ce him alongside a legend. He is the first stal­lion to secure that many con­sec­ut­ive titles since the legendary Bold Ruler, from 1963-69. (ref cr. link)

Into Mischief has a notable female *family 23-b, (& with Affirmed, b/m sire Harlan’s Holiday) a dynamic strain that has long potent history and examining its ‘origin’ strongly suggests this is a breed within the breed – one that takes the lead.

-Can the Man be the striking dominant productive sire & his progeny display a tough will. More of Can the Man progeny are noted below– ps://abcpcc.com.br/noticias/post/uruguai-mr-can-encerra-2025-com-vitoria-em-classico > >>>> (https://www.pedigreequery.com/mr+can) by Can the Man

https://www.pedigreequery.com/yes+he+can4 by Can the Man 👇👇

Yes He Can wins his second consecutive race at @turf_paradise Thanks to Jose Puentes for the opportunity — and my second win of the day. 🏆🐎 pic.twitter.com/qnkGa7L2hh

— karlo lopez (@kljockey) December 31, 2025

@Can the Man’s 3rd dam Best in Show (USA) distaff factors @ 3x Rock Sand (4x *Pocahontas) + 2x Fair Flay, Discovery & Mr Busher by War Admiral – a recognisable and impressive distaff as well known to Australasia through Redoute’s Choice (4th dam) and Written Tycoon (Iglesia) sires’ bloodlines.

Can the Man’s 2nd dam sire Blushing Groom (FR) by Red God (USA) has the Type-setter markers viz., Nasrullah through Americus Girl >> 3×3 Lexington 4x Glencoe 4×4 Chloe Anderson where Rodolph (USA) has Harts Maria 3x Medley by Gimcrack. Harts Maria is the transmitter influence of Spendthrift and this transpires Fair Play/ Man o’ War dynastic descendants.

Bell-Air by Medley by Gimcrack influences the distaff of Enquirer (sire of Minnie Gray, *f.f. 23-b) + American Eclipse (through Grey Diomed & Grimcrack mare)

Where the pedigree ‘stamps’: – Ultimus (USA) 2x Domino dam Minnie Gray, Peter Pan by Commando and elite dam, Pink Domino

Upfront profile: Red God has 5×5 Spearmint (#Carbine) + 2x Chaucer (daughters Selene & Scapa Flow) & 5×5 Roi Herode (Fr) by Le Samaritan, sire of The Tetrarch & daughter Regal Roman, @ distaff Menow. (With these, observe Pocahontas, & by duplications @ Martha Lynn > Le Samaritan, Carbine & Voltigeur, Bend Or.)

@ Haplotype Determinations & ‘sizing’ a core-contributory Type

  1. Foundation Mare Family 23 The GSB says that Hobby Mare (dam of the famous racemare Brocklesby Betty, (GSB) Gimcrack distaff) was out of Piping Peg. However, evidence in early breeder Cuthbert Routh’s stud book, various 18th century stallion adverts and Racing Calendars clearly evidence that Hobby Mare was out of Piping Peg’s dam, not Piping Peg. mtDNA analysis of family 23 found 3 different haplotypes showing the family consists of three separate founder mares. One haplotype is found in the trunk and both branches and is most plausibly that of Piping Peg’s Dam. Another haplotype is found only in branch 23-a, and the third only in branch 23-b, indicating pedigree errors at some point in both branches. Piping Peg’s Dam is dam of top class racehorse *Brocklesby Betty (4 King’s Plates 1716 to 1718): of the King’s Plate winners Brocklesby and Long Megg; and of the good stallion Hip (her full brother), which sires a number of mares which breed on, including an unnamed mare which is dam of Sampson (winner of six King’s Plates and sire of high class race horse Engineer, the sire of top class racehorse Mambrino)(source link)
  2. Hypo theoretical align to TB-dM (Hambletonian by King Fergus f.f. 61, & Mambrino by Engineer (Blaze f.f.61 & Hip f.f.23 line) these been Standardbred & Morgan horse assigned: a main, distinguishable branch Haplotype. (link, view FIG.1) & Fig 3. Wallner doc & http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2017.05.086 – Page 4 Figure 2. (do Note, not TB- dW1 (aka Whalebone) where science suggests almost ‘fixed’ @ 93.4% to thoroughbred pool). The character & attributes of sport Type are better & finer understood to researcher, Kathleen Kirsan’s work & books.
  3. It is mindful to consider Haplotype classification systems (of 4) are not consistent. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11939364/.

Early & well-renowned Type-setter Martha Lynn (f.f. 2-h) has 3x King Fergus. King Fergus is reinstated to Family 61 distaff (formerly 6-x) sourced to Wyvills Roan mare and sourced as Hobby. (ref. Kirsan). Co-affinity of another to family 61, is the sire Blaze broodmare sire of Herod, as is his full sister.

The full sister named, Sister to Blaze, is dam of sire, Portmores Whitenose f.f. 61 This dam and her son enter (amongst others) West Australian, his dam is Mowerina distaff to 7th dam (n.b. female line of Danzig USA, West Australian male line descendant Hurry On (GB)).

West Australian is the broodmare sire of Musket, sire of #Carbine

What’s this about?

The specific to determine or, isolate what traits forth i) truer native mare heritage(s) ii) powerful DNA influence for its hardy ‘will’, soundness, temperament the factors of high-paced speed with stamina which appear and come to this remarkable genotype.

Such Genotype appears critical, amass a newer or current typesetter, where conduits draw relationship. ( Example to ***Newminster & Hermit provided further below).

Profile upfront: Havana Cigar

  • @ 5×5 Stop the Music daughters (Hail to Reason – Bebopper by Tom Fool). 4x Pocahontas – 3x Plucky Leige (Spearmint by Carbine) + 5×5 Newminster (thru Carbine & Petrarch). Remembering, Martha Lynn 3x King Fergus (family 61), granddaughter Clemence by Newminster from Beeswing by Dr Syntax (an outstanding stayer) 3rd dam Prince T’quassaw mare by Prince T’quassaw (Snip) (@ accounts GSB?!) has distaff, Brocklesby Betty (family 23)
  • @ 4×5 Mr Prospector strains multitude – However in short, 3×4 Teddy, a Bend Or (Tadcaster/Martha Lynn) male descendant – his sire Ajax, b/m sire Clamart’s dam Princess Catharine of a Pocahontas distaff. Teddy’s broodmare sire Bay Ronald (Newminster male descendant).

{***Newminster (though of a Whalebone male line TB-dW1 has duplications with suggested TB-dM genotype viz. duplications @ King Fergus, his son Beningbrough through Portmores Whitenose from dam, Sister to Blaze distaff + Williams Forester by Crofts Forester, dam Bay Brocklesby of Brocklesby Betty family line. (note subject to GSB!)} Newminster the sire of Hermit, with again by distaff/dam influences with Orville (King Fergus, Blaze, Portmores Whitenose + Gimcrack’s sire Cripple) + 3x Selim – Blaze, Portmores Whitenose, Crofts Forester.

Can The Man, uma perda inestimável para a criação nacional
Discovery – @female family 23-b. {Discovery had been beaten with 143 lbs up, but no horse in this country had ever won with that much weight so we weren’t very upset over it. The cause of most of his bad race – he hit his hocks and refused to extend himself. This to our minds accounted for his reluctance to break and his lack of early foot, of which he had had so much as a three- and four-year-old. We sent him to the farm and advertised him for the stud next spring.} source Horse & Horsemen, Alfred G. Vanderbilt, Seven Old Shirts.

Havana Cigar has 6 lines through Geisha Native Dancer + Traffic Court, Traffic Judge sire of Best in Show, My Recipe, dam of Intentionally.

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