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Breeding Success: Havana Cigar (BRZ)

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It always impresses how Brazilian breeding maintains bloodlines rather than speculate to the marketplace. Thereby protecting dissolution of that particular bloodline where its generational ‘blood’ may not be replaced.

Resilient strains purposefully bred is Brazilian acumen.

3 year colt winner 2025 Derby Paulista (G1) Havana Cigar by (Can the Man (USA) – Havana Club (BRZ) ex- Vettori (IRE) inherits a dam’s distaff built/developed from the great Brazilian sire Locris (FR), a Relic, Man O War descendant male line 3×3 Tourbillon – 5×5 Teddy. His 5th dam Freedwoman (GB) by Lorenzaccio (#BT).

Broodmare sire, G1 winner French Two Thousand Guineas Vettori (IRE) – the sire that ‘gave to the world‘ Lady Vettori dam of Lope de Vega (Shamardal (USA)

To genetics: a comprehension what really furthers to this magnificent ‘X’ potency, shall go uncovered.

Firstly ...Locris inheritability speaks to the magnificent cross to make conduit Type; the selector work of Marcel Boussac. Boussac like other dedicated French breeders of the time Francois Dupre & Madame Jean Couterie experimented in crosses.

Philosophy drives Brazil’s breeding and its history, the accounts of Senor Federico Tesio apprentice – https://luizeduardolages.com/aiscan.htm summarizes “Unfortunately, almost everything about the commercial tendency in the world breeding became true and the stamina of the modern racehorse today is on the point of extinction!” QUOTED

Havana Cigar Profile: Sired by Can the Man (dec. 2023) Havana Cigar is the grandson of sire Into Mischief (USA), who secured his sev­enth con­sec­ut­ive lead­ing sire title by earn­ings in 2025, to pla­ce him alongside a legend. He is the first stal­lion to secure that many con­sec­ut­ive titles since the legendary Bold Ruler, from 1963-69. (ref cr. link)

Into Mischief has a notable female *family 23-b, (& with Affirmed, b/m sire Harlan’s Holiday) a dynamic strain that has long potent history and examining its ‘origin’ strongly suggests this is a breed within the breed – one that takes the lead.

-Can the Man be the striking dominant productive sire & his progeny display a tough will. More of Can the Man progeny are noted below– ps://abcpcc.com.br/noticias/post/uruguai-mr-can-encerra-2025-com-vitoria-em-classico > >>>> (https://www.pedigreequery.com/mr+can) by Can the Man

https://www.pedigreequery.com/yes+he+can4 by Can the Man 👇👇

@Can the Man’s 3rd dam Best in Show (USA) distaff factors @ 3x Rock Sand (4x *Pocahontas) + 2x Fair Flay, Discovery & Mr Busher by War Admiral – a recognisable and impressive distaff as well known to Australasia through Redoute’s Choice (4th dam) and Written Tycoon (Iglesia) sires’ bloodlines.

Can the Man’s 2nd dam sire Blushing Groom (FR) by Red God (USA) has the Type-setter markers viz., Nasrullah through Americus Girl >> 3×3 Lexington 4x Glencoe 4×4 Chloe Anderson where Rodolph (USA) has Harts Maria 3x Medley by Gimcrack. Harts Maria is the transmitter influence of Spendthrift and this transpires Fair Play/ Man o’ War dynastic descendants.

Bell-Air by Medley by Gimcrack influences the distaff of Enquirer (sire of Minnie Gray, *f.f. 23-b) + American Eclipse (through Grey Diomed & Grimcrack mare)

Where the pedigree ‘stamps’: – Ultimus (USA) 2x Domino dam Minnie Gray, Peter Pan by Commando and elite dam, Pink Domino

Upfront profile: Red God has 5×5 Spearmint (#Carbine) + 2x Chaucer (daughters Selene & Scapa Flow) & 5×5 Roi Herode (Fr) by Le Samaritan, sire of The Tetrarch & daughter Regal Roman, @ distaff Menow. (With these, observe Pocahontas, & by duplications @ Martha Lynn > Le Samaritan, Carbine & Voltigeur, Bend Or.)

@ Haplotype Determinations & ‘sizing’ a core-contributory Type

  1. Foundation Mare Family 23 The GSB says that Hobby Mare (dam of the famous racemare Brocklesby Betty, (GSB) Gimcrack distaff) was out of Piping Peg. However, evidence in early breeder Cuthbert Routh’s stud book, various 18th century stallion adverts and Racing Calendars clearly evidence that Hobby Mare was out of Piping Peg’s dam, not Piping Peg. mtDNA analysis of family 23 found 3 different haplotypes showing the family consists of three separate founder mares. One haplotype is found in the trunk and both branches and is most plausibly that of Piping Peg’s Dam. Another haplotype is found only in branch 23-a, and the third only in branch 23-b, indicating pedigree errors at some point in both branches. Piping Peg’s Dam is dam of top class racehorse *Brocklesby Betty (4 King’s Plates 1716 to 1718): of the King’s Plate winners Brocklesby and Long Megg; and of the good stallion Hip (her full brother), which sires a number of mares which breed on, including an unnamed mare which is dam of Sampson (winner of six King’s Plates and sire of high class race horse Engineer, the sire of top class racehorse Mambrino)(source link)
  2. Hypo theoretical align to TB-dM (Hambletonian by King Fergus f.f. 61, & Mambrino by Engineer (Blaze f.f.61 & Hip f.f.23 line) these been Standardbred & Morgan horse assigned: a main, distinguishable branch Haplotype. (link, view FIG.1) & Fig 3. Wallner doc & http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2017.05.086 – Page 4 Figure 2. (do Note, not TB- dW1 (aka Whalebone) where science suggests almost ‘fixed’ @ 93.4% to thoroughbred pool). The character & attributes of sport Type are better & finer understood to researcher, Kathleen Kirsan’s work & books.
  3. It is mindful to consider Haplotype classification systems (of 4) are not consistent. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11939364/.

Early & well-renowned Type-setter Martha Lynn (f.f. 2-h) has 3x King Fergus. King Fergus is reinstated to Family 61 distaff (formerly 6-x) sourced to Wyvills Roan mare and sourced as Hobby. (ref. Kirsan). Co-affinity of another to family 61, is the sire Blaze broodmare sire of Herod, as is his full sister.

The full sister named, Sister to Blaze, is dam of sire, Portmores Whitenose f.f. 61 This dam and her son enter (amongst others) West Australian, his dam is Mowerina distaff to 7th dam (n.b. female line of Danzig USA, West Australian male line descendant Hurry On (GB)).

West Australian is the broodmare sire of Musket, sire of #Carbine

What’s this about?

The specific to determine or, isolate what traits forth i) truer native mare heritage(s) ii) powerful DNA influence for its hardy ‘will’, soundness, temperament the factors of high-paced speed with stamina which appear and come to this remarkable genotype.

Such Genotype appears critical, amass a newer or current typesetter, where conduits draw relationship. ( Example to ***Newminster & Hermit provided further below).

Profile upfront: Havana Cigar

  • @ 5×5 Stop the Music daughters (Hail to Reason – Bebopper by Tom Fool). 4x Pocahontas – 3x Plucky Leige (Spearmint by Carbine) + 5×5 Newminster (thru Carbine & Petrarch). Remembering, Martha Lynn 3x King Fergus (family 61), granddaughter Clemence by Newminster from Beeswing by Dr Syntax (an outstanding stayer) 3rd dam Prince T’quassaw mare by Prince T’quassaw (Snip) (@ accounts GSB?!) has distaff, Brocklesby Betty (family 23)
  • @ 4×5 Mr Prospector strains multitude – However in short, 3×4 Teddy, a Bend Or (Tadcaster/Martha Lynn) male descendant – his sire Ajax, b/m sire Clamart’s dam Princess Catharine of a Pocahontas distaff. Teddy’s broodmare sire Bay Ronald (Newminster male descendant).

{***Newminster (though of a Whalebone male line TB-dW1 has duplications with suggested TB-dM genotype viz. duplications @ King Fergus, his son Beningbrough through Portmores Whitenose from dam, Sister to Blaze distaff + Williams Forester by Crofts Forester, dam Bay Brocklesby of Brocklesby Betty family line. (note subject to GSB!)} Newminster the sire of Hermit, with again by distaff/dam influences with Orville (King Fergus, Blaze, Portmores Whitenose + Gimcrack’s sire Cripple) + 3x Selim – Blaze, Portmores Whitenose, Crofts Forester.

Can The Man, uma perda inestimável para a criação nacional
Discovery – @female family 23-b. {Discovery had been beaten with 143 lbs up, but no horse in this country had ever won with that much weight so we weren’t very upset over it. The cause of most of his bad race – he hit his hocks and refused to extend himself. This to our minds accounted for his reluctance to break and his lack of early foot, of which he had had so much as a three- and four-year-old. We sent him to the farm and advertised him for the stud next spring.} source Horse & Horsemen, Alfred G. Vanderbilt, Seven Old Shirts.

Havana Cigar has 6 lines through Geisha Native Dancer + Traffic Court, Traffic Judge sire of Best in Show, My Recipe, dam of Intentionally.

@ Barnes (USA)

18 Saturday Jan 2025

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Breeding patterns and Heredity are unbelievably complex

Les Brinsfield in conversation to Clive Harper

Barnes – Into Mischief by All American Dream ex- American Pharoah https://www.pedigreequery.com/barnes3 –

Barnes has Storm Cat – 4×5 , (Storm Bird from Terlingua ex-Secretariat)

Social media on racehorse and sire Secretariat re-lives 50 years on. One may remember the restlessness as Secretariat failed to produce to his superior ilk. Yet slide time to generations, those Big Red descendants, particularly the daughters surely came special.

Somethingroyal – ‘thoroughbred ‘blue-hen’ upgrader sits 7S x 8D x 6D x 8D x 7D, dam of Secretariat & Sir Gaylord

Secretariat (Bold Ruler – Somethingroyal by *Princequillo)

Barnes – @ 9x Princequillo: the sire of Quill, dam of One for All (sire’s Into Mischief distaff.) Quill takes up a strain in Second Hand, a full sister to Doncaster, thence takes up position to the true ‘might’ of thoroughbred breeding. Thence Bend Or (Doncaster) has his Identity > ✅✅@Tadcaster (Doncaster/Clemence) + (imo) draws discussion point (below) in Birdcatcher – however not ignoring illustrious Pocahontas & Whisker from Waxy from dam Maria.

Where Secretariat always goes examined to his much-distinguished phenotype further defined to the ‘X’ heart factor theory. and whether agreeing or disagreeing to the X factor, large hearts are a marvel of nature where legends are famed as was New Zealand’s bred Phar Lap. A fun fact also to the New Zealand champion sire Mellay (Never Say Die USA) whose post-mortem revealed a larger heart than Phar Lap’s.

Large heart considerations or not, the muse sits on back influences at *^Bend Or is ✅✅Tadcaster (Clemence/Martha Lynn) and further Galopin Delight not Vedette) sire, *Birdcatcher genetics from dam Guiccioli by broodmare sire Bob Booty, distaff to Ringtail Galloway. The accounts speak volumes.

Born 1823, Guiccioli at 2 to 6 years was a very good racer. Ran as a 6 year old, after foaling and again in foal producing a healthy foal. Ran six times, won twice in the King’s Plates over 4 miles with heats in September at the Curragh and in Northumberland Handicap in October at the Curragh of 11 starters, amongst which were such good horses as Skylark, a 3 year old and Napoleon a 5 year old. 13 foals amongst which were Birdcatcher & Faugh-a-Ballagh. At 21 years living twins one of which was Gramachree, foundation mare in family 11. At 24 years St John (later Carlow), a good racer 2 to 7 years old.

Guiccioli is the 6th dam distaff Sister of Regulus, full sister to Regulus from Grey Robinson by Bald Galloway.

Pocahontas (daughter of Glencoe) was historically mentioned at 14 hands 3″ high. She ran 9 times without winning during her 2 – 5 year season. Her first foal was at 6 years and she lived to 33 years of age. Dam of Stockwell, Rataplan, King Tom, The Knight of Kars, Ayacanora, and more she produced 15 foals. Its been noticed The Knight of Kars is an influence to QH breeding. Her spectacular breeding success of sire of sires, was probably towards sire Glencoe, an enormous and successful influence to early American female bloodlines and went sold before British bloodstock breeders had noticed a ‘bad’ mistake letting Glencoe go to the new Colony offshore.

Of heritage importance, ‘then’ breeding books installed marvellous pheno details. It is poorly gathered to modern TB’s. By utilizing science it appears and delightfully, the source and breed.

It was discovering one pure source, Old England sire factoring to the Irish Eclipse named Harkaway where noticing the Old England mares were phenomenal weight carrier(s) and ran all day. Old England ‘set-up’ family 2 and 4. His dam is the Little Hartley Mare as re-named Amorett. The Old England daughters where generally named as Old England mare(s) and one as named Sister to Pioneer, from a Traveller mare by Traveller trails to the grand-dam of stamina blood in Beeswing & 3rd dam of Newminster, sire of Hermit and Lord Clifden.

Pointedly, Birdcatcher’s sire Sir Hercules is of dam, in distaff Old England mare, designated family 2-t. The Birdcatcher & Harkaway strains cross in distaff to Papyrus thru mare Philomath and Papyrus is the broodmare sire of *Princequillo.

daughters of Papyrus upgraded female line, just like those of Princequillo

Ken McLean
Papyrus

Extracting more detail on what strains govern for a strong ‘Type’ alongside their unmatched performances to the formative era’s has an interesting statement++ ” in spite of the enormous increase of Thoroughbred breeding after 1850, we do not find any examples in the second half of the nineteenth century which showed better performances“.

https://www.pedigreequery.com/dr+syntax, a legendary racehorse won more than 36 races from 1814 to 1823, sire of https://www.pedigreequery.com/beeswing, dam of Newminster

Bee’s Wing by Dr Syntax – Ardrossan, born 1833, from 2 to 9 years old, a splendid race, ran 64 times, won 51 times. First foal at 11 years old, 8 foals, amongst which were Nunnykirk and Newminster and three splendid Foundation mares in Family 8. Bee’s Wing stood 15 hands 2″ high. Dr Syntax stood at 15 hands. Newminster 15 hands 2″. Newminster’s chief points of merit were his immense brisket, finely-set shoulders and his grand quarters, which were of great reach and a model of strengths down to the hock. His head, set on a neck singularly lean but muscular, was very attractive and he had prominent eyes with a longish muzzle. He stood well on his legs and had a great stride, sweeping along close to the ground with elegance and power.

These earlier extraordinary RH horse(s) make for hardiness and endurance of the pure Thoroughbred and especially a resisting capacity from its foundation. The ancestral upon Newminster & Bee’s Wing family 8-c + Bend Or/Tadcaster✅ (Clemence/Martha Lynn) + Harkaway (family 2) unfolds @ Barnes, 4×5 Storm Cat they come on down thru @ Terlingua’s distaff. Plus Bold Ruler from Miss Disco distaff sire thru to 19x Newminster. Particularly, Miss Disco – 6×6 Laveno (Bend Or) is quite significant, as Laveno will be further found to Storm Cat’s sire Storm Bird, to his distaff in 4th dam by Display thru broodmare sire Nassovian (William the Third)

On Bend Or/Tadcaster inscribed: The most striking impression formed of Bend Or/Tadcaster is the remarkable consistency of his formation. He is of a nice length, his shoulders well placed, strong, muscular, and beatuifully moulded at their points; while his chest is the proper width and fulness, with a light yet muscular neck of nice length, and a particularly well set-on head of sufficient breadth between the eyes, which are prominent, with nice sized ears well pricked. His sire Doncaster is the true type of an english thoroughbred horse. At Newmarket July 1879, Bend Or/Tadcaster first appearance as a two year old, easily defeated 10 opponents.

Further assuring these identities, the science in graphics ^*Figure 2 (reference below) informs what gains necessary Haplotype/Genotype similarity upon clade clustering at lineages 2,8,16.

Consider that nucleus; ‘mapping’ effect, likened train-route from stations, and there it shall be observed the clustering, a trail links what goes far to half-bred family B3 (British Native Mares) before the GSB development @ female family individuals.

Barnes distaff family 7-f, a 5th dam by Secretariat. Further back in distaff is the Bend Or son Orvieto, and most significantly he is a full brother to Laveno, as above commented to Storm Bird & Miss Disco. Beautiful…

Well...what of the Barnes racing phenotype? Huge girth, powerful hindquarters, a strong head. He’s immense and that’s the point and or, shall we say the very heart of it.

references

^* Figure 2 Page 6 https://www.plusvital.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Resolving-the-identity-of-the-founding-elite-thoroughbred-racehorses.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1aUIw5BCy3udD5QTm2g3MVcYKP2x6qBVzid4cUlbyf92gRiPCshI-Rv84

Click to access Thoroughbred-racehorse-mitochondrial-DNA-demonstrates-closer-than-expected-links-between-maternal-genetic-history.pdf

Click to access Remer_Viktoria.pdf

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/282002/barnes-leads-into-mischiefs-attempt-at-seventh-title?utm_source=BHTW&utm_medium=social

https://www.americanclassicpedigrees.com/somethingroyal.html

++ Horse Breeding in Theory and Practice by Burchard Von Oettingten, Director of the Royal Stud of Trakehnen.

The Horse-Breeders Handbook – Jos. Osborne

Quest for a Classic Winner – Ken McLean

The Thoroughbred Breeders Handbook – Clive Harper