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The Legacy of Black Maria in a Modern Thoroughbred – Treasurethe Moment (AUS)

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Black Maria, Lister Turk, Queen Mary

Treasurethe Moment (AUS) br. M, 2021 {f.f. 10-a} – 12 Starts, 10 Wins, 2 Places (distances, 1400m – 2400m) earnings – A$3,010,262

https://www.pedigreequery.com/treasurethe+moment

By distinguishment, the pedigree focuses Black Maria (USA) 1923 alongside ancestress Queen Mary: a critical mass for Australian bred 4-year-old subject mare, Treasurethe Moment by Alabama Express (Aus) from Street Cry mare – Draconic Treasure (USA)

Black Maria was a Champion 3yo Filly, 1927/28 Champion Older Female for 18 wins. She defeated the best milers winning the Metropolitan Handicap to a weight of 116 pounds.

Black Maria had the only one foal Black Queen. Black Queen (Pompey) had early juvenile speed and as broodmare, produced seven winners. The daughter Black Polly (by Polymelian, a sound muscular horse with powerful hindquarters for exceptional speed & a huge over-stride) produces Polynesian, a US champion sprinter/miler. Sadly, Black Polly never produced a filly that would carry on her exceptional female line. (credit references – Ken McLean Designing Speed in the Racehorse)

McLean sights Polymelian acts as 2/3 genetic brother to Phalaris, specifically Polymelus by Cyllene & alongside sprinter ‘S’ genes, aka Sundridge ex-Sierra & Sainfoin, dam Sanda. McLean notes fault characteristics ” be aware of Pompey’s brilliance came with structural weakness in the ankles”.

Polynesian sire of Native Dancer, sire of the great mare Natalma, dam of Northern Dancer we can further understand how these pedigrees came to explode with Mr Prospector. Through pedigree development theyforward. Yet your contemporary breeding profile for gaining potency is not alone with same duplication; it is genetic material @variance of same.

Treasurethe Moment – her 4th dam Market Slide (USA) > 5x5x4 Polynesian. The Polynesian daughter Banquet Bell (reine-de-course mare) dam of full brother & sister Chauteagay (champion 3year old colt) & Primonetta (1962 Champion Older Mare, 1978 Broodmare Of The Year) @ f.f. 16-h by Swaps. Polywich (f.f.10-a) through Forsythia (Broomstick, male line to Queen Mary) + her distaff to Hampton/Queen Mary + Disguise, his 3rd dam Queen Mary. Additionally @ 2nd dam by Pennant has (Hampton/QueenMary) – War Admiral through MOW (Merry Hampton/Hampton/Queen Mary & b/m sire Sweep ‘Y’ line to Queen Mary through son Bonnie Scotland.

Notably to McLean’s advisory @ ‘S’ speed (Sainfoin/Sanda & Sundridge/Sierra/Sanda to War Admiral as these influence, Polywich (Polynesian).

Queen Mary – the 1st ancestral dam has great significance

there is always something before to look at…

Queen Mary is a fine Type-setter gathered to jumping and of the sports bred as well subject, racehorse. Her 1st dam ancestral records by ‘Y ‘ Lister Turk / Snake / Williams Squirrel. She, Fair Helen, where her probable native breeding records the owner a grandson via his mother to Catherine Manners/Duke of Rutland peerage where numerous earliest mares introduced Racehorse thoroughbred runners.

Once the heart of high society and thundering hooves — the old racecourse holds stories of the Manners family’s sporting legacy. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DM8L9Y1o0O0/

Further to survey Lister Turk (1687, also known as the Stradling Turk) has close identical biographical to/with Byerley Turk (1680) and by research conjectured, one n’ same – reference/credit https://www.thoroughbredracehorse.co.uk/investigation8.htm (n.b. further their breeding dates can vary). The clue or answer may lay to Y Chromosone gene (2022) where classed to Tb-oB1 (a) (b) (c). https://doi.org/10.3390/genes13020229

about Lister Turk takes – 5 strains Eclipse. The Lister Turk, brought into England in the reign of James II was purchased by Mr Lister and covered in Lincolnshire. Coneyskins by the Lister Turk was a grey horse bred in 1712 by the Duke of Rutland, breeding not preserved. Another daughter of Coneyskins. Snake by the Lister Turk brought into England by the Duke of Berwick (illegitimate son of James II) from whom he was purchased by Mr Lister. The stud book gives no account of the dam of Smith’s son of Snake, although he begat Williams Squirrel in 1719. ( note, these are earlier bloodstock notes to old studbook 1901) . Lister ownership is likely Matthew Lister or Dr Matthew Lister, a physician well connected to Manners family & Duke of Rutland. https://www.tbheritage.com/Portraits/ListerTurk.html

Two sisters by the Lister Turk make for a lasting impression to this very day Brocklesby Betty (f.f.23) & (f.f.23-b), the hobby mare. (see further, Bounty Lawless). Example f.f.23-b, US sire Ghostzapper & Chief’s Crown. To Australian interests – Exceed and Excel (Danehill) f.f.23-b.

Another Lister Turk mare/Black Lister mare is more remote – said to influence family 14.

Lister Turk/Snake – sire of 2nd dam to Regulus (Godolphin Arabian)

Lister Turk/Snake – https://www.pedigreequery.com/molly+in+the+moss Full sister to top class racehorse [William’s] Squirrel, triple King’s Plate winner in 1725 and 1726; and to the stallion Easby Snake, sire of Mother Western, grandam of Eclipse.

Lister Turk/Snake mare influences Female Family 20 – https://www.pedigreequery.com/cade+mare

Treasurethe Moment as ‘type-template’ appears similar Deputy Minister (Can) – 5×4 Polynesian + 5×4 Bounty Lawless.

Bounty Lawless sire Ladder thru 3rd dam Court Dress (USA) has 3 strains Queen Mary. Ladder only produced Bounty Lawless & a filly, a female line likely gone extinct.

Clearly the QM potency stamps, sighted to US sires – Curlin sire of Journalism. 3rd sire of Ghostzapper to sire of Justify. Sire of Dehere to Omaha Beach, sire of mare, Kopion. An influence to City of Light, sire of Eclipse Champion Two Year Old Male 2023 – Fierceness.

The gold Queen Mary & Black Maria declares Black Maria’s sire Black Toney from dam Belgravia is distaff to Queen Mary + QM son n’ sire Bonnie Scotland is the Y male @ 5×4 QM.

Appreciating historical phenotype: Hampton began not as a classic horse – he began life as a selling plater, his first win being scored on the old Hampton race-course – (Hurst Park) and from the victory he so obtained his name. Sold he left platers class, becoming a high-class handicap horse of sterling merit. Hampton’s two strongest points were gameness & stamina. He could fitout a long-contested finish as well as any racehorse of those times and the longer the course the better he ran. Not being a classic winner he had to make his way at the stud against the feeling which exists with regard to breeding from handicap horses, but managed in capable hands, soon made a mark. Three winners of the Derby, Merry Hampton, (f.f.22-c) Ayrshire (f.f.8-h) & Ladas (f.f. 1-l) + *^Sheen (10 wins f.f.2-d).

Of the Fillies Florizel (f.f. 7-f) 11 wins, & *Perdita (f.f.7-f) sire of Persimmon & Diamond Jubilee, a huge genetic influence to Argentina. Sire of Bay Ronald, sire of **Bayardo (2x Q.M + f.f. 10a) sire of Gainsborough, (sire of Hyperion) & Gay Crusader. Hampton/Bay Ronald sire of mare Rondeau, dam of Teddy.

Queen Mary (an engraving by E. Hacker after the painting by Harry Hall)
Blink Bonny, daughter of Queen Mary (artwork as described above)
*Perdita with Persimmon (a painting by J. Hanson Waler, Junior)
Diamond Jubilee (dam Perdita by Hampton) photograph. Won the 1900 Derby in 2 minutes 42 secs (12F). Swept English Triple Crown of 1900.

examine by deep detail

Treasurethe Moment through sire Bounteous (@3rd dam Invincible Spirit) has 4×4 **Bayardo + Bosworth (a, Y male line Bay Ronald/Hampton. Jamaica f.f. 1-l) has 3x Hampton – Hampton – Ladas – Sheen) > 4th dam @ Street Cry.

Dam Draconic Treasure (USA) explodes to Queen Mary bloodlines. Remembering the factors @Native Dancer by Polynesian running through Northern Dancer & Mr Prospector is the express train BUT also remembering Disguise – MOW – War Admiral are as much the integrity to Show Lady (USA) thence Redoute’s Choice & Royal Applause (Best in Show) to Treasurethe Moment’s sire Alabama Express (Aus).

An exciting broodmare she will Be!

Further info

https://www.americanclassicpedigrees.com/black-maria.html

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