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Mr Prospector & more…

20 Sunday Feb 2022

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Barcaldine, Djebel, Laim's Map, Marco, Mr Prospector, My Babu, Native Dancer, Sweet Lavender, Unbridled

There’s a saying among prospectors: ‘Go out looking for one thing, and that’s all you’ll ever find.’

https://claibornefarm.com/history/hof/mr-prospector/

http://www.teamvalor.com/misc/Mr_Prospector_lives_on.pdf

http://www.americanclassicpedigrees.com/mr-prospector.html

http://thoroughbredancestry.com/category/mr-prospector-line/

https://howgoodridersgetgood.wordpress.com/2011/12/27/sport-horse-pedigrees-part-4-mr-prospector/

Mr Prospector resembled Nashua in phenotype and temperament. When you collect information about individuals in a stallion’s ancestry you can appreciate their contribution of strengths and weaknesses in terms of racing class, airflow, soundness and temperament. European buyers were unsure about Mr. P’s progeny because they had small feet, suitable for firm ground rather than soft turf. Mr P. inherited very short pasterns, perfect for dirt racing whereas Europeans were more accustomed to horse’s with longer pasterns. Ken McLean – Designing Speed in the Racehorse

*A TBL discussion

‘Mr P’.… will 3+ line-breeding or more provide desirable effect or is it factoring a considered liability?

An overall pedigree may be best answered by matter-of-balances throughout.

Mr P supreme ‘sire’ shaper however, the necessary complement – a supreme dominator landscape by degree(s) of contribution highly influencing rather than (alone) parental commonality.

The study: – Munnings 3yo filly, Emirates Oaks and Guineas winner – Shahama – https://www.pedigreequery.com/shahama2.

Firstly back on Mr Prospector’s sire, Native Dancer. The sire imprint determined Eight Belles, tragedy and also tragic event – Ruffian . Mindful, there are 7 strains Native Dancer to Shahama’s pedigree.

7 strains may just bring into question Shahama’s long term racing? However, I say all-good.

What comes into play….the supreme dominator Type balance, distinguishes – 7Dx7D Djebel via My Babu ex- Perfume f.f.1-W & Djeddah ex-distaff, Frizette f.f.13c, same to Mr Prospectors dam-line. ++ Djebel, son of Tourbillon ex-distaff, Frizette f.f.13c. e.g. multiple matri-gene sources. Tourbillon 9sx8x8, benefits.

Further as it has always been and always will – major, major matriarchal influences which double back powerful.

@ https://www.pedigreequery.com/lord+at+war sire female family Sweet Lavender f.f.1-W. In a note shell, this strain is a Marco/Barcaldine inheritance. Further note dam Luna de Miel – a Hurry On/Marcovil/Marco/Barcaldine inheritance.

(n.b. Lord at War, >> Pioneer of the Nile sire of American Pharaoh)

Speightstown son, Munnings, from La Comete by Holy Bull. https://www.pedigreequery.com/holy+bull

Holy Bull attracted attention long back mainly due tracing out inheritance f.f. 2h. back to Sting (USA) from family Sandiway, daughter of Clemence akin, Martha’s daughters….

>> Medina Spirit, has Holy Bull, distaff infused.

Furthermore a fellow researcher brought my attention upon Unbridled **4×5 Rough n’ Tumble by Questionnaire by Sting. Put them together (Holy Bull & Unbridled) ie matriarch’s critical mass, inheritance dominant.

Always perplexing, the enigmatic goes by uncertain pathways. The supreme ‘band’ at what is never obvious yet goes alongside line-breeding, alongside desired pre-eminent trait(s).

A good example – https://www.pedigreequery.com/havre+de+grace5 3×5 Mr P + Hail to Reason (Sweet Lavender f.f.1W + distaff My Babu f.f.1W + ( My Babu 7Dx7dx5d) = 4 strains Lavendula .

Now that Havre de Grace has produced a Justify colt will pedigree students approve the 6 strains Mr P and 14 Native Dancer???

Take note Scat Daddy from familial geno strain f.f. 1W, (not Lavendula however genetically IS Marchetta family from Marco)

*Though the mating is okay, I like to cite that soft patterns follow.

The Example: Liam’s Map (USA) has a grand-dam by Great Above ( sire of Holy Bull) i.e. Rough n’ Tumble/Intentionally/matriach Aspisdistra, dam line of Liam’s Map + Dr Fager are inherent strains perfect.

2) Damascus – 4×5 Fair Play (Godolphin Arabian) + My Babu (Djebel / Pefume Sweet Lavender/Marchetta f.f.1W)

3) Further – **Unbridled + Caro (whom I associate to carry Hurry On i.e. Marco/Barcaldine noting Godolphin Arabian + under-noted influence Le Fabuleux (FR) a Neil Gow/Barcaldine daughter Godolphin Arabian. Neil Gow is also represented thu Olympia/Heliopolis being the dam’s, grand-dam sire. (n.b. Neil Gow rarefied genetic-gold).

This hypo example Liam’s Map/Havre de Grace goes to effect balance upon Mr P. 4x, Native D. 9x thru additionally exercising supreme dominator influences.

Lesson – never over-cook!

Proportion and prepotency are the two primary forces at work in the science of genetic inheritance.

Ross du Bourg

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from equine gods…Kukulkan (Mex)

13 Thursday Dec 2018

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in American Bloodstock, classic thoroughbred pedigree, pedigree analysis, pedigree research, race horse breeding, Seattle Slew, thoroughbred pedigree, thoroughbred pedigree analysis

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Bernardini (USA), Birkhahn, Frizette, Hold Your Peace, Kukulkan, Kukulkan (Mexico), Kukulkan pedigree, Mr Prospector, Nasrullah, Point Determined (USA), Princequillo, Seattle Slew, The Real Mayo (USA), Turn-To (IRE)

Kukulkan – the Mesoamerican serpent deity, its name, has God. Prior to the Spanish conquistador invasion, the Yucatech-mayan culture worshipped the Kukulkan. It translates as fiery serpent.

Its a powerful name for a colt. It is compelling for a racehorse.  Kukulkan (Mexico) has 14 wins from 14 starts. His achievements to date: champion 2 year old colt in Mexico and a Triple Crown Winner at 3 (Mexico). He is sired by, Point Determined (USA) from The Real Mayo (USA) ex- Bernardini (USA).

When a jockey says: “he can do anything…. he wins off the pace, close to the pace & wins on the lead” – the genotype pedigree urges TBL scrutiny.

Sire and dam are American bred. Even so, bloodlines are essentially global appraised. Irrespective where you are by country, it is to realize every superior thoroughbred has superior genotype configuration that must indicate the truest, finest breeding.

Forward-quality breeding, it is always highly important to note burgeoning of new/old:old/new strains as ‘traits’ re-emerge, more so the persistent traits which endure.

The Kukuklan pedigree surely has the classic ‘markers’ in abundance.

The ‘markers’ are superior best key-strains which always appear to superior breeding  world wide.

Pedigrees are collective, not only an in-breeding pool. They are supported with compelling prepotent influences known for top-class speed and acceleration. It is a superior genus-type – the supreme benchmark.

As Winston Churchill said ” The further you stand back, the further you shall see”.

Pushing well back into a pedigree, finds the bred evolutionary infusion.

Those bottom maternal tap-root(s) infuse and mature – rather than to emphasis tap-root as one dynamic.

At maternal infusion from the early German bred, through breeding gargantuan –   Neckar (GER), sire, his Ticino (GER) and Birkhahn (GER). birkhahn n.b. Birkhahn  strain held to Galileo Thrust, goes the Galileo engine

The Seattle Slew inbreeding 5Sx4Dx5D to that of Mr Prospector 5Sx6D being that that come from same maternal, namely Myrtlewood/Frizette (USA) – as the american born, female family 13C.

Accessing those Frizette traits/strains, make for a very compact homozygous pedigree.

Additionally of Seattle Slew is the great-grand daddy sire – Bold Ruler, to that of his sire Nasrullah. Say, no more!

Hold Your Peace (USA)- (3rd dams maternal sire) praise, praise, praise…these constitutional strains complete, which the bloodstock ‘world’ should always be lusting after.

That familiar dosage what appears in the Winx (AUS) maternal pedigree – see, Hold Your Peace’s/Success Express (USA) to sire-son, Al Akbar. This is a major, major undeniable prepotent line. *(…the small, tough, gritty qualities and equable temperament which exemplify the Prince Rose Line, through his three great stallion sons Princequillo, Prince Chevalier and Prince Bio have united perfectly in the post-war era with the compositon of the Nearco/Nasrullah/Royal Charger breed.* – Ross du Bourg – Australian bloodstock analyst

Winx – workin’ them genes

To Al Akbar’s grand maternal sire Silly Season (USA); & as infused to Kukulkan’s 4th dam sire as same.

Opinion….the nick or sweet-spot to this pedigree shines on the sire’s (Point Determined (USA) 3rd dam sire Broad Brush (USA)/Ack Ack (USA) particularly the cohesion of strains Turn-To (IRE) Royal Charger to that of Princequillo/Prince Rose (as Ross du Bourg quotes above) ‘crossed’ to the Hold Your Peace (USA).

The Kukulkan pedigree has excitement: take respect to all future pedigrees where  Seattle Slew blood is reinforced.

The keys are: enduring dosages and deeper reinforcement to the quiet eternal rivers of Princequillo and Royal Charger/Nasrullah.


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Cross Counter (GB)

12 Monday Nov 2018

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Agnes, Birdcatcher, Cross Counter, Frizette, His Majesty, Kingmambo, Lalun, Majestic Prince, Melbourne Cup 2018, Miesque, Miswaki, Mr Prospector, Northern Dancer, Persian Heights, Speirbhearn, Teofilo, Tourbillon, Urban Sea, Waitress (USA)

2018 Melbourne Cup race has its winner – Cross Counter (GB) by Teofilo (IRE) ex-Waitress (USA) from Kingmambo (USA) – by Mr Prospector from Miesque (USA)

Jig-saw genetics.

Miesque – best miler in Europe, winning in every country (France, U.S.A. England at 2,3,4 years of age. Racing Hall of Fame. Phenomenal.

The TBL pedigree takes emphasis upon origins, female-families, infusions – additionally, generational breeding cycles which shall organically sustain bloodlines.

Often balance in modern pedigrees is sacrifice or lost at the dictate of fashion, because of the prevailing climate of the commercial yearling market or through the blindness of breeders. Ross de Bourg

Aside from breeding principles, it would seem modern racehorse breeding has challenges towards the public front and thus all those passionate or, the not so passionate (activist welfare movements) share complex diverse opinions, facts, figures, who, how, why, what to the future(s) of sports-horses, thoroughbreds and the racing integrity.untitled

The stayers dilemma, its speciality long-distant racing and of breeding stability requires the ‘local’ racing program as to purposefully/supportively develop the wonderful breed.

A TBL ethos by organic ‘selective’ breeding: successful breeding thrives from strains, traits component peculiarities, rather than ‘closed’ to bare few high-profiled individuals, as generally does the market guided or, of an in-breeding philosophy.

The consistent domination(s) but of narrowing bloodlines, eventually finds exhaustion. It is a natural dynamic – the feral herd domination shall die (at some point) – her bloodline refreshed by diversity, the skill to survive. Mainstream will ignore the paradox.

from the book The Australian & New Zealand Thoroughbred by Ross de Bourg

It is difficult to convince many breeders that it is possible to ‘over egg the pudding’ by concentrating too many influence for high quality in a pedigree. The result tends to be the production of too much nervous energy, producing over-excitability, nervousness or constitutional weakness. Wealthy businessmen who came into racing and breeding without any knowledge or understanding of it, often seem unable to grasp that breeding the best with the best does not necessarily result in the best…

It is difficult to narrate pedigrees, its parallel to breeding detail, at-depth.  I strongly suggest true, careful, astute examination from all angles – the consideration upon pedigree, contemporary and ancestrally which undoubtedly displays exclusive ‘pattern’. Exclusivity of individuals is the name of the game, identifying key strains & those pedigree affiliations.

Cross Counter (GB) – female family 3-d

 –  utilizing female family indexes is extremely helpful.

Over time we’ve deduced plying with FF indexes indicate something far deeper than a given matrilineal number. In a sense, they represent a core genus which is to be appreciated beyond a conventional scope, beyond the conventional determination only three ancestral sires established the thoroughbred.

A by-gone superior genus-type suggests. However whether ‘searchable’ or not, it shall remain a TBL conjecture.

Of greater performers through the breeding, returning a familial selection intelligence.

The maternal infusions upon matri-lineal about 5th-7th removal are the nearest, possible comprehension to what is circulating as broodmare genetics.

What is ripening?

Consider possibilities?

Best genetic approximation & so forth…….

Deliberations to ascertain broodmare sire genetics…

– don’t believe mating/breeding is algorithm alone? (in that algorithms miss minor ‘finer’ detail)

Cross Counter broodmare, Waitress (USA) her maternal roots….note direct infusion Mr Prospector/Raise A Native: sets-the-genetic flavour, to set the foundational assimilation. Plus, Mr Prospector son – Kingmambo (USA) as broodmare sire – where speed and the tough get together.

Teofilo, by Galileo infusion Miswaki

Miswaki (USA) the FF-16g, (the ancestral dam Agnes, ancestral male dose Birdcatcher strain. (n.b. Birdcatcher – grandsire to Rataplan Stockwell, Emperor of Stallions – their sire The Baron, an important ingression to note.* (see below)

Broodmare Waitress (USA), her 3rd dam sire Persian Heights (GB) (European champion 3 year old) the FF-16g,  where again, the ancestral dam Agnes/Birdcatcher.

To his magnificent sire Persian Bold (GB), importantly note the FF-9h with co-affiliation to the iconic mare Urban Sea FF- 9h carrying Mit. DNA,  through same, the ancestral Alveole/Ste Alvere (GB) FF-9h.

At this point, I hope readers are finding with meaning to the core, genus type generational breeding.

Secreto (USA), FF 4-d, to same reflections, same strains through individuals Danehill (His Majesty (USA), Speirbhean (IRE) dam of Teofilo via Majestic Prince (USA) where ancestrally Boudair (GB) recaptures same. However should you wish to pursue this powerful female line NOTICE a dam called Mineral (GB) inbred to Birdcatcher.

Solidarity in numbers, for sure!

Lalun (FF 19-b) 6Sx7D: only two duplications (you might think) however the powerful Djebel (FR), sire Tourbillon (FF 13C) is the KEY FACTOR conducive to Mr PROSPECTOR BLOODLINES, their genetic ancestral link, genus blue-hen Frizette.

Now you may wonder(?) why my odd omission to Northern Dancer, his dam Natalma (ff 2-d) – trait wise (I mean).

Genetically, Northern Dancer (like Nearco) globally, has set a fixed global prototype. It is like saying it is the zero-point. Whether we know or not, N.D. traits are the ‘modern’ era and with necessity, we view for specific differentiation/variants to find ‘how’ superior performers ARE throwing out ‘new’ genetic makeup by generational bred phases via this fixed prototype.

*(side-note: the N.D. ‘fixed’ trait prototype passed to his son Danehill whom by the female-family 2d i.e. XY & XX has distinctly shaped phenotype to terms – athleticism, precocity. Now, that was the course, but it changes and resilient breeding takes care of the future……)*

Similar can be said of Mr Prospector prototype however, subjective as it is, impresses individual bloodlines/trait by broodmare maternal i.e. Nashua, Count Fleet, to the tap-root matrilineal Myrtlewood (FF 13-c Frizette USA). 

The strains from these individuals sum the building blocks to many a quality pedigree. It is not enough to identify them as superior, but almost, the ordered framework standing alongside Northern Dancer. However once again breeding is not algorithm pedestrian: it is reaping unidentified/identified sources via the individuals  which may caste out or, reset a trait deeply hidden, in thoroughbred ancestry.

Therein lies the expansion, the evolvement, of thoroughbred breeding.

As finale (!) score Cross-Counter pedigree: Teofilo – notice a FF 10-c, namely Victoria Park (CAN) and to Waitress, 2nd dam sire Highest Honor (Fr) – to notice, same FF 10-c. Where, Bonnie Doon is the ancestral dam & last foal of Queen Mary: a family highly regarded for exceptional class & durability. (key point trait)

For further reading on Teofilo where “The superiority of a bull is where genes will knit anything…” (so said the ol’boy). Teofilo, sire of Cross Counter also sire to – Humidor (NZ), the supremacy of genetics.

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