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Superior Performers: inferior breeders

11 Monday Jun 2018

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in thoroughbred pedigree analysis

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1-P, Black Caviar, Franco Varola, Pocahontas, strains, thoroughbred breeding

“The Thoroughbred World is not a static one: on the contrary, it is evolving at a very fast pace” – Franco Varola.

After decades of stock-farm breeding, it was a casual remark of the old man, where he prudently observed ‘female’ superior performers did not go on… to produce progeny equal to them.

Quizzical as it was then & still is, it remains a cautionary omen to validate or not.

From farming practises at my own account, a high-performer did just that….& was not the at-depth, maternal breeder. She dismally bred.  The more or less lesser/sounder type would soundly produce.

This phenomena is complex and upon the restraints of thoroughbred breeding where Tesio thinking had maternal inherent forces – a limitation to nervous energy – life’s battery is to restore: the female-line  reaches ‘zenith’ and in natural decline. Other old books mention saturation point – again, the zenith of the blood-lines at their natural completion.

Also take consideration, the most obvious – genetic variation. Whatever science, theory of any application one may wish to apply, TBL believes one thing which is not of scientific research or discovery but ‘limits-to-growth’ – a natural sustainability instinctively enforced. Specifically it is conservation in breeding.

– James (1990, AUS): Selection Limits in Thoroughbred Horses

He reasoned that actual heritability is almost certainly lower than appears, and that it is not certain that performance and time are closely correlated. In his opinion, a positive estimate of genetic trend in performance may not be justified. It is conceivable that limited effective population size and intense selection have led to a plateau in performance, and that the appearance of heritability of perfor-mance is illusory.

James argued, whether it is possible that a selection limit has been reached, since there are clear examples of such limits in laboratory populations, though these may sometimes be surpassed by the provision of new variation through spontaneous or induced mutation or through crossing.

Credit source http://www.ovrevoll.no/Ovrevoll/2014%20bannere/eftbanewsltr_22_2016%20(2).pdf

A dedicated conservation in breeding approach targets a long-term strategy: survival of the species, for if breeding to extract only desirable speed traits alone, it upon generations configures at another – the leading principal element declines – lungs n’ heart and physical capacity. Common sense is – one cannot be without the other.

(MY point comes from parallel example where from what ‘was’ New Zealand stock-farm, breeding in-house  & uniquely individual breeders crossed over to industry EBV’s: the genetic data-base compiling statistical performances for high-production desired traits and raising probability through ‘select’ superior males with assessed high-quality traits globally. It is a matter of opinion how one references this to each working environment but my general view what has eventuated….is that an individual  animal life-span shortened dramatically, more herd numbers for a desired level of production and cross-breeding intensely to have composites as standard breeding raising undesirable health aspects arising to the forefront of the  dairying industry. i.e. mycoplasma bovine virus). In effect, over time and generations, a weaker specimen has eventuated.

Perhaps, whilst having gone ‘off track’ a little) – the applications of maternal breeding, let’s just say: the higher principle towards conservation in breeding must aim at long-term reflections upon horse & welfare & environment. That is, fit for purpose.

As global racing stars, they where highly anticipated to breed – the face of glitter and star glamour marketing went crazy upon progeny of world sprinting champions of Black Caviar (AUS) and also, of the siblings to Winx.

Horlicks, Sunline, Black Caviar & alike etc etc etc. are all absolute stand-out performers but curiously will/would not be superior breeders and though one might like to wonder and adore of their racing attributes, they transpire to be after their racing career, physically worn-out identities.

As causes of selection limits – a plateau in performance despite continued selection – he identified several points:

  • Selection is not effective;
  • the environment is deteriorating;
  • natural selection opposes artificial selection;
  • additive genetic variance is exhausted

Credit source http://www.ovrevoll.no/Ovrevoll/2014%20bannere/eftbanewsltr_22_2016%20(2).pdf

Speculation of equal progeny produced thereafter is pure theatre – unless one is prepared to wait through generational cycles for the genome brilliance to reappear.

Nevertheless it is forever thought-provoking to speculate upon brilliance & the progeny, the campaign of  suitable sire, across every *star* correct-pedigree and attempt to see what is, & what-is-not-happening to the breeding genetic template what gave.

For the most part, ‘undoing’ pedigrees of a superior performer is the Must – that is, to go to the structure and hub assessing where the pivotal key strain stages nucleus, dynamic. This is because upon the new pedigree infusion/cross – where each/every genetic dial-up will be either genetic ingression or digression upon the siring broodmare siring infusions.

The two nucleus parentage(s) – sires broodmare siring is upmost specific, crucial and defining….for selection of performance traits, in probability.

To view how lines ‘meld’ is only the beginning….it is to take view where a ‘shine’ in the grain of wood goes; what strain lines ooooomf the pedigree. Vision a pedigree as a 3-legged stool: speed/stamina structure,  support co-joining blood-lines as strength, a balance to suggest figured potency.

We have prior analysed the Black Caviar: ‘diamonds’ within a pedigree of family tap-root, 1-P female family.

This 1-P strain has noble history infusing the ancestress Pocahontas, plus the rare sourced (nowadays) of female family 24, exceptionally ‘formative’ transcendent  to the bare few & best bred viz. the Thoroughbred.

  • the progeny: Oscietra – Exceed n’ Excel (AUS)/ Black Caviar. (as above) I have prior written on Black Caviar (FF 1-P) the double-cross of Vain 3sx4d and upon infusion re: Court Martial (FF 1-P) assimiliation plus, Hornbeam (FF 1-P) through Lunchtime (UK) Attempt to appreciate female strains, as genetic blood transfers (if you will) to the bridge and connection of ‘type’.
  •  Female Strains / traits / mitochondrial DNA

From within the genotype pedigree, (it must be viewed!) where if to diffuse this crucial element, as ‘strain’, it is to disrupt that star ‘thumb-print’ for Black Caviar progeny.

TBL observation – the essential strains 1-P are not ‘available’ in the stallion Exceed n’ Excel (AUS) pedigree. The  sprinting and young siring machine EE is, is not complementary as to say recover genetic endurance: breeding by truer definition is the carefully bred. Secondly, the aspects of EE’s , the Natalma 2-d influences are assigned differing ‘type’. Refer to the ancestry aka Alamahoud. Please do note I/we are not disputing the dynastic quality of the profound Alamahoud bloodline but personally will challenge the overdo melding (concentrations) which alternates duplicity of a ‘cross’.

The Black Caviar  colt –  Prince of Caviar from Sebring/Black Caviar , genetically suggests same thoughts as above.

It goes where there is an odd and ancient truism  practical breeders of all kinds of stock, that the value of the any family is mainly in proportion to the purity of its origin.

  •  the crucial – in proportion, purity as concentration), origin (foundation, source).)

I always think magnificence arrives in unobvious detail. It is essential to understand pedigree peculiarities present ‘unseen’ opportunity or, point to a genomic trend orbiting to the present-day day & which can be (at best) astutely uncovered.

This is the nature, and conservation of thoroughbred breeding.

(following blog Winx’s siblings…..)

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22 Saturday Oct 2016

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in Australian Thoroughbreds, genotype, pedigree analysis, pedigree research, race horse breeding, thoroughbred pedigree, thoroughbred pedigree analysis, thoroughbred pedigrees, thoroughbred racehorse analysis, thoroughbred racing, thoroughbred racing pedigree, Uncategorized

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Alamahoud, genotype, Mother Goose, Pocahontas, strains, Thoroughbreds, Winx

A year ago The Thoroughbred Link (TBL) blogged the post below on wonder mare and now super legend Winx. When a pedigree Winx Superior Thoroughbred

TBL made reference to her  genetic phenomena, a likened to Sunline, Phar Lap, Secretariat. And, yes Carbine expresses it to.

TBL feels certain that there is a distinct possibility of the large-heart gene factor also transmitted (to Winx) due to a compacted order and synthesis of two strains – that of strains family 2 & 3.

TBL noticed a similar pattern working at hidden-depths of the above.

The maternal tap-root line of those superior individuals at 9th remove reveals compacting lines which ‘fuse’ and re-ignite when 1 or more of strains are nicked, as occurring  through the stallion.

The prime index factor is undoubtedly Alamahoud, ancestress Mother Goose & 2-d strain; the dam line producing Machiavllian (USA) , Northern Dancer and Halo (USA), read as 6sx6sx9Dx6d.

Mother Goose

Mother Goose

Further more, the 2-d strain (differing but same seed) through Hurry on 9Dx9D.

TBL observed Sunline’s maternal tap-root merged on 2-d strains through sires Hurry On (GB) & Nothing Venture (GB) and the 2 inbred strains of Polymelus 3-e, sire of great racemare Cinna, co-relationship John O’ Gaunt 3-e and also Colorado 3-l.

Secretariat (2-s) and many cohesive  2 strains (again, maternal tap root) particularly through the 2-o strain an those of 3-e (Polymeus) and 3-i via Galopin and Brown Prince.

Phar Lap (2-r) where the family strain branched from 2-n, also compacted upon same.The 3 strain is pointedly via Flying Dutchman 3-i and global ancestress matriarch Pocahontas 3-m.

Winx –  referencing 2-D strains of Almahound, the resemblance (as family strains) emerges through 4th maternal dam, Vegas Street (NZ) to her siring strains those of Sovereign Path via Bobsleigh(GB)  3-l and Winalot (GB) 3-i AND 9th dam, Silverado (GB) 3-i & Nassau (GB) 3-l.

As TBL has ‘championed’ through other articles, it is not the individuals, but what they carry within as determination. see Smokin’ over a pedigree…

We are not talking horse a, horse b, horse c as separate or individual influences. We are looking for the firm genetic ties to accumulate upon ‘truer’ family blood at origination-point.

Winx’s sire – Street Cry’s broodmare sire Troy carries the particular strain 3-i. The broodmare carries a strain of 3-e (Palestine GB) .

And of course through Street Cry there is Nashua 3-m ….relating to the foundational  Byerley Turk.

turkmen-3

ancestry & inheritance always ‘returns’

 

“I love fillies and mares with nice, deep pedigrees, even if their race performance has been sub-standard or not at stakes-winning level.” – John Camilleri, Fairway Thoroughbreds

Credit: http://www.arrowfield.com.au/articles/fairway-fireworks-and-lunch-with-harry.html

Patterns of Nature: Phar Lap & Sunline

10 Thursday Mar 2016

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in genotype, pedigree research, Uncategorized

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1-P, Bruce Lowe, Bruce Lowe numbers, Camel, Court Martial, Harry Telford, Miss Kate, Miss Kate 2-r, Musket, New Zealand thoroughbreds, Patterns of Nature, Phar Lap, Pocahontas, Sunline, thoroughbred breeding, Touchstone

As a kid, I fell in love with the Phar Lap tales: mystery, intrigue, sadness and the love of immortal greatness which bestows superior thoroughbreds.

Magic – joy, all those crazy childhood notions one has for a great horse and to be there physically with its equine soul forever and a day.

Yes, Phar Lap and wonderful Sunline did that to us all.

Recently, I delighted to view an amusing ‘vintage’ video of Phar Lap – The Mighty Conqueror.

Aside from the dialogue it’s a worthwhile watch due to close footage and when visiting ‘Red’last year at Melbourne’s museum it came to mind that equine-honesty of his, was also a superior genotype and phenotype.

The big why … what is the Source? Continue reading →

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