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Farnan colt – King of PoP (Aus)

11 Tuesday Mar 2025

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in Australian Horse Racing, Australian Thoroughbreds

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Easy Date, Farnan, Sandbar, Snitzel, Teddy, Vain

my bloke’s been ticking over really good

2yo King of Pop colt over 1200m new track record @ 1.09.13

On Pedigree https://www.pedigreequery.com/king+of+pop11 , the dominant profile places (once again) elite dam 4x6x5 Easy Date – her details are covered to post a blue hen pings G2 winner, Leica Lucy (NZ), **Easy Date 5x5x5.

King of Pop’s grand-dam Weiner is Snitzel’s 1/2 sister. Also the family of Hinchinbrook (Fastnet Rock – Snippet’s Lass by Snippet)

King Of Pop WINS the Black Opal Stakes! 🏆@ZacLloydx with a masterful display in the saddle! pic.twitter.com/jblG77mZ7x

— SKY Racing (@SkyRacingAU) March 9, 2025

"I've always had him down as a Slipper horse."@GRyanRacing caught up with @GraemeWhiteSky following the win of King Of Pop in the Black Opal. @ThoroughbredPk pic.twitter.com/LqkyfyI1qD

— SKY Racing (@SkyRacingAU) March 9, 2025

A prior research @ Farnan post (September 2020) far out speed…Farnan (AUS), 1/2 brother in sire Sandbar (Snitzel), the sire of 2yo, Pierro Plate winner 1100m, gets the gelding Shaggy. Those two sires focus their dam family: to arrive head in genetics – Lion Hunter (Aus) thru Godswalk thru Intentionally (USA) taking affinity to Snitzel via 3rd dam sire-line In Reality (3×3 War Relic, 3x Fair Play) by Intentionally.

King of Pop broodmare sire All Too Hard circles the f.f. 1-P assigned family probability 2 Haplotype ‘family. In a hypothetical schedule, Court Martial, sire of Wilkes, thence Rory Jester, CM grand-sire of 2xVain – 4th dam sire of Lion Hunter, Claude’s (ITY) sire Hornbeam (4th dam sire of African Queen, Troy in Street Cry) and likely, the sire nick-cross in Farnan/All Too Hard.

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King of Pop’s female family 2-c, suggests Haplotype L4 – generally designated upon families 2.

The quality of any pedigree is keying to what set the Type across. Complex. In regards to last article, the re-visitation of classic chef Teddy is transformative refining and goes a long road breeding still dynamite.

4x https://www.pedigreequery.com/sans+tares

In 1940, Sans Tares was sent to the U.S. by breeder to avoid appropriation by German Army during the II World War (from The Thoroughbred Record Jun 15 1940).RRE
sent to France in 1947.
Died in 1965.
Dam of 5 SW, including Washington DC International S. winner Worden and Wilkes winner of the Prix Edgard de la Charme and Champion Australian Sire 3 times

To Notes (available) on Breeding in France post WWII, reveals that French breeding had to live on its own resources, utilize to the utmost with their notable successes to native blood lines. For example, in 1945, one third of the prizes distributed in races was won by the descendants of 🏆Teddy, Bruleur, Alcantara II & Massine.

understand…

To re-examine ‘Teddy’ daughters, his fine recognizable influence is very, very relevant. 4×4 Teddy = Buckpasser, in Danehill. Dancing Show (Bull Lea/Mr Busher) – Teddy daughter Tara, grand-dam Wilkes Crown Jester – Hitting Away > Easy Date, Mr Prospector, Troy/Helen Street > Worden (Fr), Godswalk (USA), Wilkes/Vain, 3rd dam to Casino Prince , Garden Green (IRE) 5×5 Teddy, Helsinge, More Than Ready > Good Landing 4×5 Teddy, + Woodman (Mr Prospector) and King of Pop’s distaff Snippet’s Lass, is to a Teddy daughter Britannica (FR), exported to USA.

Why? Its since the genetic clean up @ Bend Or records (correction Tadcaster) @Teddy – the prototype individual is a Martha Lynn type. Martha Lynn is He…Teddy provides Haplotype L4.

Pedigree is designing... science informs protein-allele synthesis & the racing model suitably depicted. Yet fundamentals ‘if’ an overly rapid expansion in production of 1 trait is to the expense of other traits, it ultimately proves itself detrimental to other.

Breeding how’s are – He, brings himself back across his daughters. Teddy.

In Ken McLean’s words: in every instance their pedigrees reveal a heavy build-up of similarly related ancestors connecting up with each other.

Teddy. (caste aside by British breeding, his potency upgraded US breeding to a supreme level. ARTICLE

King of Pop was an $800,000 buy for his trainers from North Bloodstock’s Magic Millions Gold Coast yearling draft in 2024. https://catalogue.magicmillions.com.au/lot/24GPR/377

*Easy date 5x5x5 – her 5th dam Tedmelia by Teddy. Dam of Lights Up (USA)

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2 yr old filly – O’ Ole AUS (Ole Kirk)

20 Monday Jan 2025

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in race horse breeding, The Thoroughbred Link

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Black Caviar, Papyrus, Princequillo, Vain

The class filly may remind you of the world class mare Black Caviar. Sire ole Kirk @distaff family 1 n’ same.

https://www.pedigreequery.com/o+ole

🔹 Victorian-bred Listed Winner 🔸

2YO filly O' Ole (Ole Kirk x Vellor) charged down the @GCTurfClub straight and took out the R. Listed @mmsnippets 2YO Classic for @BBakerRacing last night 💥

Congratulations to her breeders, @GilgaiFarm!#VicBreeders pic.twitter.com/zITa81z8Os

— TBV (@vicbreeders) January 17, 2025

The familiarity of Vain to his 3 strains. Vain ➡️Wilkes ➡️Court Martial family 1-P, a Haplotype that should actually align similarly with Family 2.

Sub-lineages 1-N, 1-p and 1-u of Lineage 1
were founded from a Lineage 2 mare & or vice versa https://www.plusvital.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Thoroughbred-racehorse-mitochondrial-DNA-demonstrates-closer-than-expected-links-between-maternal-genetic-history.pdf

We realize now … Family 2, 8, 16 are lineages same back to the trail in tail of earliest source TB. That configuration pattern is evident (enough) to Last Tycoon (Fam.8-c, 3x Vain, Zabeel, fam. 16a and as will the Sepoy dam Vellor fam. 16f.

@Vain, go back to his assigned A10 American family and to observe 3×4 Mary Grey thru Madam Bosley (USA). Mary Grey and her American family was the greater cornerstone of American bloodstock. She is their Family 2. Through the American Civil War and the horrendously awful Jersey Act that literally wiped out American bloodstock from registration added to the famed Bruce Lowe numbers used by the GSB also had eliminated American families to the disgust of many American bloodstock breeders of the day. Mary Grey (4x Regulus) was the dam of Wilkes Wonder (USA), progeny commonly the Jolly Roger mares, where particularly came of high class racehorses.

The 7x7x7 Lunchtime is influenced by another 1-P family in Hornbeam (Hyperion). Snippets runs to 3x Nasrullah and the influences of family 9c et al genetic affinity @ Octagonal sits to Haplotype L1a. Late in the day (research), have read/found the Mixbury sire stood at 14 Hands.

The magnitude to re-work Bend Or with Carbine come genetic- brothers in blood through Clemence. Bend Or’s mistaken identity is Tadcaster and its tail source affirms. https://www.plusvital.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Resolving-the-identity-of-the-founding-elite-thoroughbred-racehorses.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1aUIw5BCy3udD5QTm2g3MVcYKP2x6qBVzid4cUlbyf92gRiPCshI-Rv84

Clemence distaff dam to Bend Or X Carbine reflects in Concerto b/m sire Star Kingdom.

Discovering Bend Or/Tadcaster to son Laveno (GB) is a real eye-opener since (re:post @Barnes (USA) since Laveno is the brood mare sire of Black Servant >> 3×4 Bee Mac seen to 5×5 Marscay’s dam Heart of Market (USA). The greater handle @Bend Or influence to Clemence is genuine Disclosure. (refer Figure 2 above)

Best is the very best: the perfection of pedigree running 5x Star Kingdom and 7x Princequillo = 12x Papyrus > 17x Guiccioli (see last post @ Guiccioli info)

https://www.bjornbakerracing.com.au/ole-kirk-x-vellor-filly

https://catalogue.magicmillions.com.au/lot/24GPR/333

Ole Kirk

https://www.stallions.com.au/pdfs/Sepoy_2020.pdf

(nb variances @ haplotypes is about remembering the Thoroughbred is hybrid. A haplotype can help to diagnose a pedigree however importance really gathers upon synergetic blending to a Type)

a poet’s script – Puchkine (FR)

24 Wednesday Jul 2024

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in race horse breeding

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Court Martial, So You Think, Starspangledbanner, Vain, Zamazaan

3yo colt Puchkine – Starspangledbanner (AUS) – Vadyska (IRE) ex- So You Think

https://www.pedigreequery.com/puchkine

It’s all PUCHKINE! 🏇💨

He takes the Group 1 Prix Jean Prat at @fgdeauville! 🇫🇷

pic.twitter.com/K4EZOO1eD8

— World Horse Racing (@WHR) July 7, 2024

Son of Choisir (AUS) Starspangledbanner stallion went from earlier fertility issues to the fortuitous sire. https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/the-remarkable-journey-of-starspangledbanner/

His sprinting stars are indescribable. Having often wondered what are the intrinsic roots making their remarkable influence, we went by evaluating close female relationships and came to uncovering a genetic parallelism. And once again by probing Black Caviar and Winx. Further, what went found acquaints old racing stars: Phar Lap, Donatello, Beppo (Marco), Shirley Heights (3x Pitti + 3x William the Third) where their stand-out influence comes helpful to finer appreciating the sire Starspangledbanner through VAIN & 4th dam sire Zamazaan + Gold Sovereign broodmare sire William of Valence (Fr) by Vatout (Fr).

The newer profound influence through 2 closely-related dams (f.f.2-e) Pitti progeny & Gravity dam of William the Third (St Simon) & thereof, Felstead, Carbine male-line descendant. To uncover the complex significance, it is necessary to recover its elite similar arrangement upon four-time Champion Australian Racehorse of the Year, Winx & World champion sprinter of 135 rating, Black Caviar.

Winx – the relevance of William the Third & Pitti

Nassau- a son by **William the Third, his daughter Sebenico grand-dam of Theico, the 3rd dam of Vegas Street. A further gentic-affinity in Donatello as 2nd dam sire in Sovereign Edition, with further affinity-female strains to Tehran + Count Fleet in Voodoo Rhythm (USA). 4x William the Third viz Dutch Mary, Mangalmi, Nassau, Sebenico. 4x Count Fleet – Prince John/Hold Your Peace & Riverman & Mr Prospector. Bahram in Hethersett & son Persian Gulf, Donatello in High Hat & sire Alycidon, Bois Roussel by Vatout to Hornbeam, Bellini (ITY) from Minnow by William the Third to Hoist the Flag, Bellini’s male line descendant.

Black Caviar – the relevance of William the Third & Pitti

2 daughters by William the Third – Third Trick & Comparison in Felstead + Desert Sun/6th dam in Felstead. William the Third sire of Winkipop (thru Court Martial) Bahram sire of Big Game, Donatello sire of Alycidon + grand-sire in Solderini where Solderini’s 2nd dam sire has Atout Maitre (Fr) by Vatout. Bois Roussel by Vatout in Hornbeam + Bois Roussel/Vatout the sire of Migoli with his b/m sire Bahram again in Desert Sun. Bois Roussel by Vatout, sire of Tehran >Kurdistan 4th dam sire Bel Esprit, sire of Black Caviar.

**William the Third (essential detail @ link, William the Third)

More on the sire, Starspangledbanner (AUS) than what can be believed!

With antipodean blessings for breeders, Zamazaan served both Australia and New Zealand to become a Champion sire of Stayers to likes of multiple Gr.1 winner Beau Zam (5x William the Third thru Dutch Mary (Donatello)/Minnow to Bellini (ITY), Mangalmi (Sovereign Edition) + with dominance in Carbine‘s influence. Zamazaan sired Veloso (Sydney Cup Gr.1 & AJC Spring Handicap Gr.1 winner – Good Lord double winner of the Wellington Cup Gr.1. Multiple G1 winner Lord Reims (NZ) & Lord Relic (NZ) sight, b/m sire Bismark > Wilwyn 3×4 William the Third.

Zamazaan (16hands) – bred by the Aga Khan he came to New Zealand for the 1970 breeding season. Zamazaan was rated the best stayer in France in 1969 and achieved a high Timeform rating of 126. Zamazaan by Blandford – b/m sire Tulyar, male-line Vatout, his 2nd dam Vaya by Beppo from Pitta. Zamazaan’s distaff has King William by William the Third

Vain/Zamazaan + Gold Sovereign b/m sire William of Valence (Vatout) @Starbangledbanner cross Darshaan son of Shirley Heights (Count Fleet + Vatout) + Tehran/Bois Roussel by Vatout + Felstead, Court Martial in Long Row 2nd dam sire of So You Think. Pinza (b/m sire Donatello). Further evaluated below…

Long Row – 2nd dam sire of So You Think (NZ). Long Row has 4x William the Third (Winkipop, Comparison 2nd dam of Felstead– 4th male descendant Carbine, Karenza dam of Ethnarch, son/sire Roseland by William the Third). Further the co-relationship to Long Row’s 3rd dam sire Atout Maitre (FR) by Vatout is of same female distaff to William the Third’s dam Gravity as related by grand-dam Enigma.

Puchkine’s 3rd dam Patrimony by Cadeaux Genereux, European 3yo champion sprinter. Cadeaux Genereux same female family as Desert Sun, (b/m sire Black Caviar) hence Donatello & Bois Roussel in L’anguissola . Felstead, Tehran/Bois Roussel in Sharpen Up. Tamerlane – male line to Bahram, in Young Generation

4×4 Danehill i) sire Danzig 3rd dam by Felstead, his 2nd dam of William the Third. Danehill b/m sire His Majesty, the 4th sire Bellini (Ity) has 3rd dam Minnow by William the Third.

It is a privilege to show full measure of the St Simon son William the Third, to the dam family in Gravity, Pitti & Contessina – an old classic staying family but perhaps more true its mercurial ‘turn of foot’.

And for the breeding wise – https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/haras-de-beaumont-buys-into-jean-prat-winner-puchkine/

@janebielski (researcher) The Thoroughbred Link (copyright)

Our smashing home bred 4 year old Beauty Waves (Number 7) wins the feature race at Sha Tin @HongKong_Racing this morning.
He won for us at @DundalkStadium as a 2 year old.
By Starspangledbanner out of Little Sweetheart ❤️
Congrats to all connections in Hong Kong 👏👏👏 pic.twitter.com/suxpOumVra

— Pat Flynn (@PatFlynnRacing) July 14, 2024

Beauty Waves (Starspangledbanner – Little Sweetheart) as above discussed Vain/Zamazaan & Pitti, the dam conduit in Herbager & Mr Prospector.

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