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Delighted to hear the big news on super race-mare Winx is to visit the awesome sire Too Darn Hot (GB) (https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/winx-to-visit-too-darn-hot/
so distinctive has the @New Zealand distaff Winx Family 5-b, to these winners…
Vegas Queen (NZ), winner of the G2, 2025 Wellington Guineas
https://www.pedigreequery.com/vegas+queen4
Gringotts (NZ), winner of G1, 2025 ATC George Ryder Stakes
https://www.pedigreequery.com/gringotts3
Distaff family 5-b. Peculiar as pre-Dominant Haplotype (Table 1, the Massey mare)
https://twitter.com/i/status/1903285267684855945
With short preamble to deep horse history, G Haplotypes appear to be the genetic improvers. Pedigrees can’t explain this. Going beyond narratives, three-hundred-year history studbook with areas at science resources which also may yet bring a bigger picture.
Whilst so much genetic information hangs on the ‘speed’ gene, the lay-man interpretation has been (of late) whittled down to 3 categories, a RH type with domination in frequency. (n.b. for the record – am not science academic trained, however knowledge of EBV’s in the stock-game to grasp one trait development also goes to other traits considered.)
The combination of all ‘types’, come genotype arrangement @ I:I, NI or NN, C-C, C-T, T-T. As always… I like to think of the wiser words come Ken McLean.
Commercial racehorse breeders aim to meet the juvenile market by attempting to cross speed with speed. Do they realize that muscle fibres of sprinters are quite different in texture to those of classic performers? Sprinters possess muscle fibres which rapidly develop with a minimum of exercise – quite unlike muscle fibres of the stayer who needs long, steady exercise to develop peak fitness.
credit: Ken McLean – Quest for a Classic Winner
Elsewhere, its been mentioned there is not one domineering ‘preferable’ Haplotype for the modern bred yet the perennial questions are to remain what breeds?
The puzzle is not missing genetic information, rather sometimes other criteria applied.
From different sources, it came with wry surprise the family numbered 2N and 9 (exception 9-c) might be 1 n’ same, co-affinity ‘G’ haplotype. Here… it changes the whole ball-game of one’s analysis-interpretation because it may uphold pre-Dominant breeding ‘types’ dramatically.
The article as cited, refers another’s breed history, prior English TB and concludes the modern TB emerged upon different type-set (link) ➡️https://www.duruttya.com/?mod=regarding-the-breeding-nature-of-russian-thoroughbreds Additionally, the different conditions with purpose(s) to breed, ie long- distance versus short speed distance delivers bred ‘outcome’.
It is very important to see that ‘speed’ doesn’t act alone. Yes obviously this ‘speed’ has been prime objective and dictate of the turf, come modern English thoroughbred.
A criteria is getting the ‘true’ source as a first, the domestic bred, thence the carriers, the contributors and the critical mass improvement/upgraders.
At our last post, it was highlighted where Hyperion’s dam Selene via Cyllene, integrates to Teddy/Damascus, through G haplotype nutshell. Rather than lineation-fixed its route, has zig-zag recessive.
“She is a very very tough horse with a lot of ability and a good turn of foot.”
Vegas Queen (NZ) @ LOVERACING.NZ
Its exploitation upon pedigree, for G2 winner Vegas Queen by Proisir ex- Miss Vegas by Carlton House https://www.pedigreequery.com/vegas+queen4 has Star Way (6×4 Selene, + 2x Alchemist, fam. 9H)- Centaine by Better Boy (fam 2N). The complex zig-zag…#G Haplotype. Nature loves hybrid-vigour (different lines, same source).
“he’s just a war-horse” Tommy Berry on Gingotts (NZ)
Gingotts has a little different tilt @ line-bred 8x Native Dancer however 13x Hyperion, 11xSelene through her multiple son sires. But what goes so interesting… @ Native Dancer, has that lines Sickle/Fairy Play/Cyllene are displaying the co-affinity G Haplotype. https://www.pedigreequery.com/gringotts3
Common to each (Winx, Miss Vegas & Gingotts) has sire, Street Cry. Apart from an enormous upgrader and Elite sire – the big question is Why?
It is best explained Street Cry develops distaff Worden (FR) back through Teddy daughter Tara, + 10x Teddy. Relocate Family 2N as G Haplotype. (n.b. other sources Have family 2 as haplotype L4.)
@ Winx/Too Darn Hot & for mine goes to the familial around Too Darn Hot’s distaff to Delsy https://www.pedigreequery.com/delsy Tourbillon male line & her #BT distaff, 5x Teddy, Pherozshah, Pharis, Marsyas (Son-In-Law) & Man O’ War. In a nutshell threading the uncanny to families 9e, 9f to 2N has that ‘streak of lightening’.
Further to Too Darn Hot > Singspiel 5×3 Herbager.
Former Post @ Too Darn Hot Eyes on a Perfect Sire – Too Darn Hot (GB)
A pre-Dominant Haplotype suggests…
{**History has Persian ‘Nisaean’ horses from Nisaea, the lower parts of Bactria ( Located in Zagros Mountains in Iran (Persia). They were highly sought after in the ancient world. They were so much coveted that after an Assyrian victory a tribute to them was demanded. Dated about 400BC, shows a horse that today would pass for a small Thoroughbred, such was its conformation and quality.}
Nisaean was a famous ancient horse breed, They where very high, strong and fast animals. }https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Maciej-Janeczek/publication/243457305_The_role_of_Nisaean_horse_in_horse_breeding_in_the_Ancient_World/links/6672a0e5a54c5f0b946e3d8d/The-role-of-Nisaean-horse-in-horse-breeding-in-the-Ancient-World.pdf?origin=publication_detail&_tp=eyJjb250ZXh0Ijp7ImZpcnN0UGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIiwicGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uRG93bmxvYWQiLCJwcmV2aW91c1BhZ2UiOiJwdWJsaWNhdGlvbiJ9fQ&__cf_chl_tk=gbdo0tAPMMdfWeyThnsU8rY928VKeHrleGI_yPpFVvs-1742776756-1.0.1.1-052P_4XfrCO1gq0luj3iQcbbR7yL8b1e6Wi8MF7u0A8
The breed Nisean greatly influences the ancestors of today’s Iberian horse breeds, such as the Carthusian, Lusitano, Andalusian, Barb (horse), and Spanish Mustang. Iberian, Andalusian and Barb haplotypes influence the Thoroughbred!
The Andalusian of Spain is an old established breed and an important one in the development of a number of other breeds, particularly the Lipizzaner. For centuries the mount of kings and emperors, the Andalusian was taken across to the ‘New World’ where its blood is found in both North and South American Breeds.
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