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Forgotten greatness – Challedon & sire, Challenger

25 Friday Feb 2022

Posted by in classic thoroughbred pedigree, genotype breeding, race horse breeding, Sanda, Sierra, Sundridge, The Thoroughbred Link, Winx

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Racing authority John (Salvator) Hervey commented: “It is the belief of the great majority of Turfmen – and a reasoned one – that Challedon… is one of the greatest Thoroughbreds ever seen in this country.

There was an old & odd tale Native Dancer went possibly sired by Challedon not Polynesian. (later…we’ll compare each affinity & their genetic attributes)

To the higher ground – let’s appreciate both Challenger & son Challedon by their influences upon superior racehorses noted further below.

Challenger by Swynford

Challenger (GB) from Sword Play, the maternal @ f.f.2.g distaff!

Important significance f.f.2g. belonging to influential ancestress SANDA. Her daughter Sierra by Springfield and her daughter Amphora by Amphion. I’m hoping pedigree students realize this earliest speed trait family to produce 1) Sundridge (Amphion – Sierra) being full brother to Amphora.

Plus, and more inclusive to the family – Sierra’s full brother Sainfoin, sire of Rock Sand, sire of Tracery. Sainfoin – broodmare sire of Phalaris.

The history and success http://One of England’s top 2-year-olds in 1929, *Challenger II was owned by Lord Dewar (of the Scottish whiskey fame), who intended to race the son of Swynford in the Epsom Derby. When Lord Dewar died in the spring of 1930, the colt was ordered withdrawn from all upcoming engagements due to English racing rules of the time. Brann and Castle reportedly paid $100,000, withthe intention of racing the colt in the U.S. and then retiring him to stud. 👉 *credit & full article*👈

http://www.americanclassicpedigrees.com/challenger-ii-gb.html

Challenger – the English sire produced daughter – America’s champion mare Gallorette. Gallorette 6th dam & distaff to Gun Runner USA) by Candy Ride.

  • Gun Runner sire – 4 from 4 & champion 2yo filly Echo Zulu & G1 winner Gunite
    • colt, Pappacape from his dam (interestingly) f.f. 2h thru Kate Intent ( refer ***Dancers Image/Godswalk)

A leading sire in Argentina – Dancing Moss (1973) from Gallorette’s daughter Courbette. Courbette produced multiple G1 winner Babor (ARG), champion Argentina stayer Fain, G2 winner Fairly, 1979 Champion older male Farmer, and champion 3yo colt and stayer, classic sire Fatly,

  • Challenger sired Legendra, dam of Mrs Peterkin by Tom Fool. She the dam of Sweet Alliance (Sir Ivor). Sweet Alliance produced $3.3. mill yearling buy Shareef Dancer (Northern Dancer) siring Colorado Dancer, the dam of Dubai Millennium (6×6 Challenger via Legendra & grand-daughter Flitabout – (sight similar *Success Express)
  • Mrs Peterkin 4th desc. female distaff – Vertigineux, dam of Zenyatta (Street Cry)
  • Mrs Peterkin grand-dam of Mizzen Mast (Cozzene), sire of 2yo & 3yo G1 winner Flotilla, Argentine sire Full Mast, & Hong Kong performer Giant Treasure.
  • Grand-dam sire of Dancer’s Image (Native Dancer)
  • Challenger’s grand-daughter produced Little Hut, dam of Habitat (Sir Gaylord) & Northfields (Northern Dancer)
    • (5×6 Habitat) – colt, Epicenter by Not This Time (USA) – Silent Candy

*Success Express (Hold Your Peace – Auprintemps) (5×5 Challenger) through daughters Legendra & Gallorette.

Success Express sire of Al Akbar (AUS) sire of Vegas Showgirl (NZ) dam of Winx (AUS) by Street Cry

Success Express b/m sire of New Zealand’s 5x champion sire Savabeel (Zabeel)

S/Express – b/m sire Shamus Award (AUS) sire of Australia’s multiple G1 winner – Incentivise & South Australian Oaks winner Media Award, + multiple G1 winner Mr Quickie

* international performer – colt Cowan (USA) by Kantharthos – 6th dam by Challenger.

Dialled In (USA) – Challenger daughter producer of Prince Dare, 4th dam sire

  • Dialled In, sire of 3yo Arkansas Derby winner, colt Super Stock

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Challedon by Challenger from Laura’s Gal ex- Sir Gallahad

“You shall not cower in the dust,
Challedon, my Challedon.
Your gleaming plates shall never rust,
Challedon, my Challedon.
You stood off Johnstown’s vaunted rush,
You left Ciencia in the slush,
And we went home plenty flush!
Challedon, my Challedon.”

* credit above, article + Photos

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http://community.fortunecity.ws/marina/commodity/1881/challedon.html

https://mdthoroughbredhalloffame.com/index.php/the-horses/class-of-2013/challedon

http://www.9thrace.com/horses/challedon.html

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/221616/pride-of-maryland-reliving-challedons-preakness

http://www.americanclassicpedigrees.com/challedon.html

Seeking the Gold – (credit source – FB Guadamur)

Dubawi – Dubai Millenium (6×6 Challenger) – thru Seeking the Gold (Mr Prospector) from Con Game(3rd dam Flitabout by Challedon), her 1/2 brother Fast Play (Seattle Slew)

Reviewer (USA) by Bold Ruler, grand-dam Flitabout. Reviewer sire of Ruffian.

  • Reviewer 5th dam sire to, high-class performer La Crete (Medaglia d’ Oro)

Liam’s Map son, new US sire – Basin (grand-dam sire Seeking the Gold)

*Challedon daughter Flitabout – 4th dam of Know Heights (IRE) sire of Princesca Carina (BRZ) dam of Brazil’s champion 3yo colt – George Washington (BRZ)

Know Heights (IRE) producer of 2006 Triple Crown and Brazil’s champion 3yo filly – Colina Verde (BRZ)

👉 + Brazil’s multiple G1 winner Coray, G1 winner Aviacion, 2x G1 winner & sire Ivoire, champion 3yo colt & sire Jeune Turc, Derby winner Negro da Gaita

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A tale: Native Dancer sire – Polynesian or Challedon ?

This eyewitness account has Native Dancer’s dam Geisha, as difficult to load and transport. It was decided to walk her across and be served by Polynesian.

Working through each sire, lines and genetics, is to overview what presides upon ancestral elite.

These genetics are centred majorly to Brown Bess (1844) working thru Quiver/ La Fleche aka John O’ Gaunt (Swynford), Cinna (dam o Beau Pere), Uganda (dam of Umidar) and Maid Marian ) dam of Polymelus.

Musket, sire of Carbine is Quiver’s 3/4 brother. Carbine inbred 3×4 to Brown Bess + from Mersey/ Clemence/Martha Lynn f.f. 2h.

Polynesian’s grandsire by Polymelus has dam Brown Bess distaff. Polynesian’s b/m sire Sundridge (Amphion – b/m sire Springfield ) from Sierra aka Sanda f.f.2g

Challedon – the pedigree Challenger from distaff 2.g Sanda + citing, John O’Gaunt/La Fleche +Spearmint/Carbine/Musket + Trenton by Musket ie Musket 6Dx6D ie 3/4 brother Quiver/BBess.

(Sanda is inbred to the brothers Stockwell and Rataplan from Pocahontas (Glencoe). Note paternal grand-sire is Lord Clifden from The Slave aka Martha Lynn. )

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*POST UPDATES*

– Kathleen O (Upstart – Quaver ex-Blame) 3 from 3 over 8f. Dam distaff Lorgnette/Gallorette + Seeking the Gold via b/m sire Blame pedigree here

Zuran Zuran (ARG) gr.colt (Remote (GB) – La Duran ex-Mizzen Mast ie Mrs Peterkin) 7 starts for 6 wins distance 2400m pedigree here

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photo Credit here

you shall not cower in the dust, Challedon

all TBL pedigree information – Copyright.

1 Trait in a Genetic Ocean

28 Thursday May 2020

Posted by in classic thoroughbred pedigree, genotype, genotype breeding, genus, race horse breeding, Roberto

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Today’s blog revisits Roberto’s (Hail to Reason) xeno-genetic transmittance.
– updating for pedigree buff reading where is…Roberto and Winx – workin’ them genes + Winx came from Herod

When “Designing Champions” – what foundational ‘mare’ belongs to more extraordinary breeding?

The strain, the trait, an attribution peculiar to the Individual, the bloodline shall assign the preeminence of family.

The ‘impression’ to phenotype…2 year old growth-development/speed, stamina potential, x-factor calculated to individuals racing character, the temperament, body ‘frame’ upon cited In-breeding. Those calculated contributors, as superior factor, are foremost.

→refine the dams breeding

→ consider the dam’s Potential and depth – what a dam naturally, subtly possesses through formative bloodline, the DNA

Genus of bloodlines.

Roberto, (classified to f.f.12a), he the maternal, grand-dam sire of Zenyatta by Street Cry and compare Hold Your Peace (classified f.f.12b) as maternal, great-dam sire to Winx by Street Cry ( Roberto, Hold Your Peace are classified sub-branch’s to family 12)

It reveals to each, their distaff traces to Whiteshirt mare.
– prior accounts exist, where family tables concur much emphasis upon family 12 viz, Eclipse, per his grand-dam Mother Western.

By review, accounts to Mother Western (ex- Old Montague mare per Royal Mare) and Whiteshirt mare (ex Montague mare by Whiteshirt) are not related. (as the family 12 implies)

credit reference – https://bloodlines.net/highflyer/investigation7.htm

– Whiteshirt mare and table Descent Chart 5

*there can be no doubt, that the Whiteshirt mare and Mother Western descended distinctly from separate roots the former tracing to the breed of Lord Montague of Cowdray and the latter, to one of D’Arcy Royal mares.
– *as ancestress of a prominent strain, the Whiteshirt mare deserves to be designated as a foundation mare of a separate family.

*White shirt mare was out of an extraordinary mare of Lord Montagu’s….

The distinctive factor further states: *the old Montagu mare, the dam of Sedbury. So called, from being daughter of a mare of the breed of Lord Montagu of Cowdray, who, in the time of Charles II, was famous for his stud of horses.

Sedbury (Crofts Partner-Old Montagu mare, from Lord Montagu’s mare, the family 68 from the Whiteshirt mare.

(n.b. Sedbury – the sire of Sedbury mare from Ebony, a Massey mare f.f. 5 where Ebony had 5 daughters and these where each classified family 5, these siblings however, not from Sedbury) http://www.tbheritage.com/HistoricDams/EngFoundationMares/Family5/Family5.htm

the ideal genotype-phenotype-prototype to WINX (Street Cry- Vegas Showgirl by Al Akbar) photo credit reference (FB & owners et al – we advise we do not hold ANY copyright and advise  Fair Use where the material here, is used exclusively to illustrate bloodline characteristics per the article and with no other purpose.  Please do not PIN. 

Winx f.f. 5b, her 4th dam Vegas has notably 3x’s to *Sundridge (see below).

Hoist the Flag f.f.5i (Street Cry) & of, Zenyatta 2x’s – the gems trace to ancestress Diversion f.f.5i. Diversion → Little Folly (her sire has 2x infusion to Mothern Western, 1 to Diana ⇒ Whiteshirt mare. Little Folly → Magnolia→→Sedbury Mare→Ebony by Sedbury from Whiteshirt mare.
Whiteshirt mare – maternal strain/ ‘trait’ back-bone to Empirical sire and of equine-soul to the Northern American Thoroughbred – Lexington (Boston- Alice Carneal) f.f.12-b

‘ Whiteshirt ‘ contemporary influences – Giants Causeway, Shamardal, Singspiel (IRE), Rahy (USA), Roberto, Meadowlake (USA), Hold Your Peace (USA), Grimaldi (BRZ),

mare – La Mission (ARG) ,

Champion Influences: – Macon (ARG), Peter Pan by Commands (USA) , *Sundridge by Amphion, Sainfoin by Springfield, Court Martial, Hurry On

International performing mare Wuheida (GB) by Dubawi – Hibaayeb (Singspiel) https://www.pedigreequery.com/wuheida

watch for this sire – Frosted (Tapit – Fast Cookie) from 3rd dam by Roberto https://www.pedigreequery.com/frosted3

What’s my take on this? As title suggests 1 trait in a genetic ocean and I cannot help but genuinely feel where Lord Montague’s mare (and possibly others) have quality genetics encoded ‘je ne sais quoi’. We can’t see them, they are not historically recorded, but are indeed defiant and present. Cheers TBL

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Useful reading

more Roberto breeding influences – where is…Roberto!

http://www.bloodlines.net/TB/Families/Family12a.htm

http://www.americanclassicpedigrees.com/lexington.html

https://www.sport-horse-breeder.com/book-reviews.html (Legacy of Lexington)

https://bloodlines.net/highflyer/investigation7.htm

http://www.tbheritage.com/Portraits/Lexington.html

https://www.pedigreequery.com/sedbury+mare (Sedbury – Ebony)

With due Thanks to historical notes and the articulate & astute research. Highly recommended it has reading which must be appreciated fullest and finest of detail.

The Winx pattern ‘strikes’

23 Wednesday Oct 2019

Posted by in genotype, genotype breeding, race horse breeding, Winx

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Late 2018, TBL posted, opportunity slips by…. referencing, the genotype Winx workings.

Thru, referring (at the time of writing) to another filly by New Zealand’s sire Shocking , across a dam from the direct female family belonging to Winx (f.f. 5b) – another filly came up for sale at New Zealand’s 2018 Karaka Yearling Sale.

This is the pedigree –  https://www.pedigreequery.com/vegas+jewel.

Vegas Jewel runs in Australia, and has 3 starts for 2 wins and a 2nd placing.

Shocking is a son of Street Cry.

The female family (f.f. 5b) belonging to Winx, her dams sibling, appears to be sourced from a boutique NZ breeder. Meaning…very few, the rare few, are New Zealand about. The right genetics coming together are that RARE.

Plus, you get potential by knowing genotype: what works with what. Period.

Winx

 

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