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breed ‘smart’ – goodbye Northern Dancer

17 Monday Feb 2025

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in Alice Hawthorne, Argentina, Brazil, race horse breeding

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A lesson: (the Not) of Inbreeding viz., one Northern Dancer stats by Doctor Bryan Mayoh, founder of Eskdale Thoroughbreds, a breeder of UK National Hunt Thoroughbreds. His article expresses the not of in-breeding and or (as much) directing diversity to the thoroughbred pool.

Dr Bryan Mayoh (ARTICLE link>) 👇👇👇https://www.racecafe.co.nz/forums/index.php?/topic/109443-for-the-diehards-this-is-worth-readingmaybe-even-studing/

For and Against – what’s your Sire line consideration ? – https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/features/should-breeders-pay-attention-to-sire-lines-in-pursuit-of-producing-athletes-awBg60Y6fJgn/

https://www.rvc.ac.uk/research/projects/veeph/early-life-determinants-of-performance-and-the-economics-of-thoroughbred-breeding

The ‘natural’ Bloodhorse – https://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/2022/07/thoroughbred-blood-the-individual-counts/

Genomic Inbreeding Trends, Influential Sire Lines And Selection In The Global Thoroughbred Horse Population

Go with… the Outbreeding

The method of outbreeding is valuable for getting away from heavy duplications in the pedigree. It acts like an outcross where one of the parents is already inbred or linebred or both. The purpose is: breed away from intense concentration. Quite effective for producing high class performance! Really, it is to maximize an overall genetic expression. That is, it is over and above reckoned pedigree duplication via linebreeding & (hopefully) plugging into recessive/latent alleles whereby best practice, targeting to newer type. The exercise can use very good but non-commercial stallions proviso the overall profile ‘gathers’ multiple, potent variable sources and or, are not just ‘fixed’ in one individual. Yet, it just ‘fits’ well & with depth it creates.

This fine example upon 2025 G1 Grande Premio Henrique Possolo winner by #GA/GB male @ Put It Back (USA) – Square Dance (BRZ) a 3yo filly https://www.pedigreequery.com/new+dance6 (BRZ) carrying 10x Man O’ War. Princequillo influential factor to appear @ 5×5 Speak John, a ‘notable’ factor that appears to be increasingly thru many a superior pedigree.

The overview about the South America’s Brazil/ Argentina/Chile/ Urugay remains still to old gold-rich diversity; its bloodlines that no one in the western commercial reach out to. Having encountered only to south americas is Old Man (ARG) (former family 6-x, its now reassigned family 61), was a broodmare sire of a genetic giant Rico (ARG)

RICO   (ARG) b. H, 1919 {4-h}- PEAP: 1929-6; 1930-5; 1931-8; 1932-16; 1933-9; 1934-2; 1935-4; 1937-6; 1938-6; 1939-14; 1940-15; 1941-8; 1942-5; 1943-11; 1944-23)
PEAAM: 1935-25; 1939-16; 1940-10; 1941-15; 1942-11; 1943-10; 1944-4; 1945-5; 1946-4; 1947-7; 1948-12; 1949-6; 1950-10; 1951-5; 1952-10; 1953-9; 1954-13; 1955-19

Old Man (ARG) ancestresses: with critical mass 3x Alice Hawthorne & 8x Guiccioli Fomento (ARG) has 5sx5s of Old Man (ARG) to be 6th dam sire of star-filly, New Dance (BRZ).

Put It Back (USA) has a sire son in Billon Dollar (BRZ) a producer of very fast horses where his gelded 4 yr old son https://www.pedigreequery.com/eletrizante+dollar Eletrizante Dollar (G1 winner) has broke at the Gavea Racecourse a new track over 1000m record which was previously stood by grand-sire Put it Back. His 4th dam reveals Jovita (URU) has, 5x5x5 Old Man (ARG) . FB Race Video below

https://www.facebook.com/100002025865668/videos/3954868984760676

These gems can still turn up unexpectantly. The perplexing becoming more as enlightenment by the odd truth: the Bruce Lowe tables failed the best & old female lines in Northern America and actively discriminated for that astonishing theory came based in Family numbers 1 and 2 progenies allotted to England’s classic races as represented to The Figure System.

Future pedigree patterns of the racehorse depend upon the strains used by private breeders much more to than commercial breeders.

Many breeders still believe in the mathematic coefficiency table with displays a rapid decline of genetic impact from ancestors in each generation of a pedigree. The hybrid horse need not transmit anything like the tables suggest. One specific ancestor can mess up the statistics.

Ken McLean – Quest for a Classic Winner

“One of the immortals of Argentine Thoroughbred History” – reference https://www.americanclassicpedigrees.com/old-man-arg.html

L4 in Argentina & Brazil

02 Saturday Sep 2023

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in Argentina, Brazil, genotype breeding, Haplotype L4, Harkaway

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Although technology has brought huge benefits, it is still crucial to recognize the significance of pedigrees in appreciating lineage of horses and the qualities they possess.

The appreciation to individuals with exceptional qualities of speed, stamina, and weight carrying ability alongside winning numerous and unforgettable G1 campaigns.

Where did it all stem from?

Our last post ventured to greatest racing horses known to New Zealand & Australasia. The Thoroughbred & The Ultimate L4 gave a crucial haplotype to their family pedigrees.

While conducting further extensive research on the forgotten legend Harkaway, the Irish Eclipse, I stumbled upon information through a mare named Cupid – she is a direct 6th descendant of Harkaway, The Golden Horn, Harkaway’s daughter.

Through The Golden Horn , her descendant daughters went far n’ wide into Europe – Hungary, Austria, France and also Argentina to Brazil. The Golden Horn dam of sire Wild Oats. There all reveals as is Rabelais pedigree – Harkaway 4×5 + Pocahontas 4×5. Rabelais sire of Havresac – (@Harkaway 5S x 6s x 8D x 6D) Italian leading sire 11x, and Tesio’s favourite sire to his descendant tail-male line of Ribot.

The mare Condesa (ARG) f.f. 1-o . She was good as it gets @ 4×4 distaff Harkaway + Lord Clifden (f.f.2-h distaff Martha Lynn) + sire’s distaff from Marpessa (f-f 3m) dam of Pocahontas, dam of King Tom, son of Harkaway. (n.b. this f.f.1-o is not same distaff to Man O’ War daughter Speed Boat and full brother War Relic)

Condesa – as dam her progeny Argentina sire Primero, the winner of the 1898 Gran Premio Carlos Pellegrini.

Condesa is the 4th dam of Congreve (ARG) the genetic-monster of invincibility.

Congreve

21 starts for 12 wins

1st: GP Polla de Potrillos (ARG-G1), GP Carlos Pellegrini (ARG-G1), GP Municipal (URU-G1) 2800 2’56″2/5. PEAP: 1935-2; 1937-1; 1938-7; 1939-1; 1940-1; 1941-1; 1942-2; 1943-1; 1944-1; 1945-1; 1946-11; 1948-20
PEAAM:1944-6; 1945-3; 1946-3;1947-2; 1948-1; 1949-1; 1950-2;1951-1; 1952-1; 1953-1; 1954-2; 1955-13;1956-6; 1957-10; 1959-4; 1960-18;1964-29

Congreve (ARG) sire of Embrujo

Embrujo his G1 performances and his siring prowess was off-the-genetic radar

Winning Performances are: Argentina Triple Crown: Gran Premio Polla de Potrillos (ARG-G1); Gran Premio Nacional (ARG-G1, jockey: E. Lema, trainer: Oscar Canay) and Gran Premio Jockey Club (ARG-G1). Also won 1940 Clásico Pueyrredón.

Puesto en la estadística annual de padrillos:: 1946-18; 1947-4; 1948-4; 1949-4; 1950-3; 1951-2; 1952-6; 1953-2; 1954-4; 1955-13; .
Puesto en la estadística annual de Abuelos maternos:1956-14; 1967-26; 1957-18; 1958-15; 1966-16; 1968-40; 1959-3; 1960-7; 1961-2; 1962-6; 1963-8; 1964-4; 1965-2;

A breeder of breeders Embrujo sire of Penny Post – yet another genetic monster.

Penny Post

1948:
1st GP Nacional (ARG-G1)

1949:
1st GP Honor (ARG-G1), GP Carlos Pellegrini (ARG-G1), Clas Chacabuco, Clas Otoño, Clas General Belgrano, Clas Martinez de Hoz (ARG-G1), Clas Comparacion (ARG-G1)

1950:
1st GP J. P. Ramirez (URU-G1) 3000m 3’04″2/5, GP Honor (ARG-G1), Clas Chacabuco, Clas Otoño, Clas V. L. Casares, Clas General Puyrredon; 2nd GP Carlos Pellegrini (ARG-G1)Stallion in Argentina, Chile and Peru (past article ref.Penny Post)


PEAP: 1956-11; 1958-17; 1959-6; 1960-10; 1961-14; 1962-13; 1963-34
PEAAM: 1963-2; 1964-23; 1965-7; 1966-20; 1967-17; 1968-12; 1969-1; 1970-11; 1971-11; 1972-13; 1973-37; 1974-11; 1979-29; 1980-26

Embrujo is Broodmare sire of Practicante: another…Genetic Giant in Argentina

Embrujo ,sire of

Nigromante – his distaff is f.f. 2-h (Clemence/Martha Lynn)

1947: Won GP Polla de Potrillos, GP Jockey Club, GP Montevideo, Cl. General Guemes, Cl. Guillermo Kemmis, Cl. Miguel Cane; 2nd GP Nacional, GP Carlos Pellegrini.

Puesto en la estadistica anual de padrillos: 1962-20; 1958-3; 1960-7; 1961-3; 1957-1; 1956-7; 1955-5; 1954-19; 1959-8
Puesto en la estadistica anual de Abuelos Maternos: 1962-9; 1963-32; 1964-40; 1965-30; 1966-23; 1967-22; 1969-29; 1970-24

above, Candy Spots by Nigromante – 22 starts for 12 wins. An undefeated 2yo. (photo credit: FB Coloured Thoroughbreds)

Romantic

1953 Gran Premio Nacional (ARG-G1, jockey: Salvador Di Tomaso, trainer: Telmo Míguez).

Stallion in Argentina and Chile.
56 foals, 24 starters, 21 winners.

Congreve (ARG) 2nd dam sire of Atlas (Aristophanes – Antinea (ARG)

Atlas

Carlos Pellegrini de 1960 (3000mts – 3′ 3” 4/5)

Stallion Statistics: 1966-41; 1967-16; 1968-39; 1969-25; 1970-44; 1971-16; 1972-5; 1973-5; 1979-15; 1980-17.
Broodmare Sire: 1976-7; 1979-2; 1980-19; 1981-19;1982-4;1983-6; 1984-4; 1985-3; 1986-7; 1987-15;1988-5; 1989-20; 1990-30; 1991-24; 1992-24; 1993-34.

Atlas , 2nd dam sire of Lord at War (ARG), noting distaff family 19-C , as its assigned Halotype L 4!!

Atlas – 4th dam sire of Invasor (ARG)

Incentive Boy (ARG) (Boboman, Kingmambo (USA) – Incentive Lady) a multiple G1 winner in Chile @ 2yo, 3yo: 8 wins from 14 campaigned in 2015) – his dam’s distaff has 7dx6d Embrujo by Congreve

Raptor’s (BRZ) by Hat Trick the 2023 Brazil Derby winner has an exceptional pedigree to its ‘markers’. Principle, the dams distaff is f.f. 2h (Martha Lynn), 8th dam by Congreve, 9dx8d Rabelais (n.b.& many more hit out, however presently beyond the scope of this)

GP Cruzeiro do Sul @ Raptor’s (BRZ) article here

For breeding names – T.H. Approval (USA) sire of Nao Da Mais (BRZ) international performer, 4 G1’s distances 1000m to 3000m now a sire, 2023 listed . Nao Da Mais (BRZ) pedigree, continues interestingly the exceptional Grey Sovereign male line.

Haras Phillipson’s multiple G1 winner Nao Da Mais, won the Prix Flying Dutchman in Saint-Cloud from end to end

Article here

Even so to myself – I have long maintained that alongside pedigree to inbreeding, line breeding, are strains n’ traits that are strikingly Dominant beneath.

Now, we’ll better appreciate why.

Korean researchers to the racing Thoroughbred established there are 4 alleles more noted superior from 53 alleles assessed – 5 allelles been at the lowest-order. Group specific allelles indicate that the microsatellite markers could distinguish horses that show ‘high’ or ‘low’ in a race.

Certainly, it’s necessary to recruit scientific analysis and though entirely two different spectrums of insight; it is sizing influential individual(s) @pedigree to muse upon.

It is crucial to analyse well, place valuable insight and make informed decisions.

Haplotype L4 is exceptional. More on TBL Page Pedigree & Haplotype

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TBL former blogs on Argentinian Bloodlines (link here) & here

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acclaim, George Washington (BRZ)

30 Thursday Sep 2021

Posted by Thoroughbred Research in Brazil, classic thoroughbred pedigree, race horse breeding

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Penny Post, Redattore, Tesio

On our side of the globe we don’t engage much to brilliancy; South America’s breeding lines and its racing. However we should take note. US, & European with theirs, the international bloodlines.

The focus & advancement of a robust competitive, powerful stayer type is traditional set.

Their generations reflect, built from classic true – individuals around Tesio’s era aka Tracery, Rocksand, Fairway, Donatello.

The Breeding thrusts strict selectivity principles: soundness, merit, development, cultivated on lands rich minerals.

Our TBL subject: – an entire horse that takes his racing campaign with guts of a war-horse is George Washington (BRZ) – recent winner, 2021 GP Brazil, 2400m. Also honoured as Brazil’s leading 3yo colt 2018-19 8 wins of 28 starts.

Pedigree here George Washington by Redattore(BRZ) from Princess Carina (BRZ) by Know Heights (IRE)

 @ genotype George is the outcross bred.

This alike & as was, the breeding advisory of German-born USA bloodstock agent John Aiscan whom being also an apprentice of Tesio when a young man. – (ref. Upgrading Thoroughbred Families by Jack Glencarry 1995).

The article by John Aiscan does not mince words for Tesio not only master, but wise teacher.

To come down thru grand-dam genetics dagger… Heavenly Dancer (BRZ) the 3 female dosages Planetaria by Penny Post (ARG) an enormous genetic Argentinian influence . Penny Post pedigree here

Penny Post the Rock Sand/Tracery male line – the 9x St Angela dam of St Simon – distaff thru to Musket and 3×4 Melbourne. No wonder he was genetic-gold entire!

Penny Post’s daughter Planetaria – f.f. 3O dam of El Centauro (ARG) (n.b. stood in Japan ’74 – 1981), a mare of old-gold.

George’s sire Redattore (BRZ) also the outcross of female family 1-x, the famed Striking family by War Admiral.

Redattore past away May 2021 but left his …… G1 champion miler Kapo di Tutti, G1 performers Olimpo (2000m), Editore, Tizon g1 winner in Uruguay, Real Secret, mare Zara (1600 – 1800m)

Indeed compelling to learn of another genetic giant like Argentinian bred, Penny Post. Not only supremacy for his Integrity lasting….. Penny Post (credit below)

School of Jockey Apprentices of the Jockey Club – Hipódromo de San Isidro- Bs As- Argentina: Penny Post (1945, ARG) the crack of the ’40s (escueladejockeys.blogspot.com)

most influential names in pedigrees have a very powerful linebreeding content themselves – super prepotent sires & dams

Upgrading Thoroughbred Families – Jack Glengarry

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